Dennis: Off the stand. Wheel is ok 90 dreees to the floor. Off center with rear. Lines up on right side but off on left side by 3/4 inch or so.
What next? Glen On Jan 30, 5:01 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > Everything stayed straight ? Still in perfect alignment with the back wheel ? > How about in parallel with the rear wheel as in earlier testing ? (that's the > second plane) Confirm both planes before we proceed. 90 degrees to floor and > less than 1/8" off center from rear wheel. That's as good as it gets. > > ________________________________ > From: Glen <[email protected]> > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 4:28:00 PM > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further > > Dennis: > > All tight all right. What Next? > > Glen > > On Jan 28, 11:41 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Start by tightening the axle clamps. Front nuts first, then rear ones. > > Recheck alignment. Position tubes in fork bridge clamps (so much above top > > bridge) and tighten clamps. Recheck alignment. Install fender and fork > > brace and recheck alignment. That reason behind this all is to see if at > > any time it shifts. Constant rechecking after each step will show the exact > > component that is at fault. If it doesn't move and stays right, all the > > better. Leave the brake calipers off for now. Get back to me when this is > > completed. Brake set-up is a bit more precise. If it moves as any clamp is > > tightened, note which one and report in. > > > ________________________________ > > From: Glen <[email protected]> > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thu, January 28, 2010 7:36:58 PM > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further > > > Dennis: > > > Its perfect! I tripple checked it with a square on each side both > > front and rear. Its right on! > > > Whats next? > > > On Jan 27, 11:41 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > You didn't say you had the tubes off. Start at the common 3/8" position. > > > We'll attend to those little details later. When you let the bike settle > > > on the axle, keep the jack/s in place, we'll need them to support it > > > during alignment. First order of business is to make this thing as > > > straight as can be. Later is brakes, tube height,,, for now just the > > > wheel in place. The method is quite simple once you understand how all > > > this fits together. If it cannot be corrected in this manner, we look > > > farther. > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]> > > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 11:05:56 PM > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further > > > > Dennis: > > > > Bearings seem fine, spacer is present, spedo tangs looks fine and were/ > > > are aligned. I cleaned out the factory grease in the spedo and > > > replaced with a quality bearing grease. Japan doesnt make good grease > > > and they are very skimpy with it. Before setting the wheel to the > > > forks, shouldn't I set the forks to the bike? How far above the upper > > > clamp should I set each fork? Left and right the same height? Shop > > > manual gives no guidence as to fork placement in the clamps and I did > > > not mark them last year when I replaced the fork seals. > > > > I fabricated independent adjustable jacks for each side of the bike to > > > hold the front end off the ground while on the center stand so I could > > > replace the fork seals last year. However they are not adjustable once > > > the weight is on them, so I am going to have to wait until I can get > > > some help to square the rear wheel and lower the forks onto the > > > wheel. > > > > Glen. > > > > On Jan 27, 9:41 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Bearings good ? spacer present ? Speedometer drive tangs in proper > > > > place ? Reassemble and snug (not torque) axle nut. Bike is on center > > > > stand.. right ? Use a carpenters square against the back wheel and shim > > > > one of the center stand feet if need be so that the rear wheel is a > > > > perfect 90 to the floor. You need this as a reference when putting the > > > > front end back together. Bike supported by some kind of adjustable jack > > > > ? Lower front end till it rests on the axle. Leave calipers off at this > > > > point. Lightly snug the fork bottom clamps against the axle. (finger > > > > tight) Check for alignment with rear wheel. Report back. > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]> > > > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 6:21:36 PM > > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further > > > > > Dennis: > > > > > After an over night soak in blaster and a longer wrench from a > > > > neighbor I got the axel apart. The axel is straight and all parts are > > > > present according to my shop manual. > > > > > What next? > > > > > Captain Obvious: Yes, I have been using "PB" Blaster and a Heat Gun, > > > > would have used a torch but I did not want to melt the bearring dust > > > > covers or plastic gears in the spedo. The problem was leverage... size > > > > does matter! > > > > > Glen > > > > > On Jan 27, 3:21 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I am starting to lose it. > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > From: Kim Paddock <[email protected]> > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 8:35:10 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further > > > > > > Hey Dennis...will you tell this wingnut that he needs to use PB > > > > > blaster to get his axle nut loose? He listens to you...somewhat. > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > From: Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 9:36:26 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further > > > > > > I wouldn't reassemble it till I found out why that is. Too many parts > > > > > in there to disregard. Stepped spacer one side, speedometer drive > > > > > other side. Two bearings, spacer inside. Axle nut 54' lbs. should be > > > > > tight but not stuck on unless over tightened. Over tightened would > > > > > damage bearings and pull fork tubes together. Missing internal spacer > > > > > would allow nut to be over tightened. Incorrect drive installation > > > > > would spread forks. Maybe it's fine. The bottom line is, it's your > > > > > butt. For me, I wanna' know. The tire was the giveaway that something > > > > > is wrong. Don't quit untill you know and correct it. I can't work > > > > > this way, my job depends on me doing it right. For me, I'd put a > > > > > socket on the fixed end bolt head and clamp a breaker bar in a vise, > > > > > and use the same deal on the nut end. Put a piece of pipe on the bar > > > > > and...it's coming off. I can't let a customer ride a bike I "think" > > > > > is OK. It better be right. > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]> > > > > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> > > > > > Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 8:42:32 PM > > > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further > > > > > > Dennis: > > > > > > I cant get the axel nut loose and I am afraid I am going to break a > > > > > nuckle or worse something on the bike. The wheel appears to spin > > > > > true.I think the axel is fine. I would like to proceed with > > > > > reassembly. Please advise. Please note I have replaced the brake > > > > > pads already. > > > > > > Glen > > > > > > On Jan 26, 12:41 am, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Send pix as attachments. The wear you describe is not right. Pads > > > > > > should wear evenly. Wheel is cocked to do this. Your measurements > > > > > > showed this too. That would cause the contact patch to be > > > > > > off-center. A careful re-assembly is going to take care of this. > > > > > > Still have to inspect the axle and get that right first. Gee, this > > > > > > bike will be totally different when you get done. Handle and brake > > > > > > better. > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]> > > > > > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> > > > > > > Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 12:29:33 AM > > > > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further > > > > > > > Dennis; > > > > > > > I do not know how to post a picture to an existing string. The pads > > > > > > are worn as if on a skew. One pads is thinner at the top then it is > > > > > > at > > > > > > the bottom and the other pad is the opposite thicker on the top > > > > > > then > > > > > > on the bottom. Wheel spin was relative to axel in hand. When in the > > > > > > forks without brakes wheel spins smooth and easy. I took a picture > > > > > > of > > > > > > the pads and will try to e-mail to you directly.Still can get nut > > > > > > off > > > > > > soking it in blaster. > > > > > > > Glen > > > > > > > On Jan 25, 11:22 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Wear is uneven ? Send pix. Wheel requires some effort to turn ? > > > > > > > Something very wrong here. Get the axle apart and see. Resolve > > > > > > > this before we go any further. This sounds like an assembly > > > > > > > problem. Incorrect order of assembly or parts missing. The speedo > > > > > > > drive cannot drag the wheel down but a missing bearing spacer > > > > > > > would. Let's see the pads and what they tell us. The wear pattern > > > > > > > is a giveaway. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]> > > > > > > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 9:27:36 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further > > > > > > > > Dennis: > > > > > > > > I have rexamined everything very closley and here is what I found: > > > > > > > > Found a very small amount of play in the neck, tightened 1/8 turn. > > > > > > > > Brake pads are mettalic and wear is uneven and down to 1/8 inch or > > > > > > > less (I have new organic pads). > > > > > > > > I still cant get axle nut loose. Fok oil leaked out of the > > > > > > > anti-dive > > > > > > > adjust. Leak is now fixed will try to get axle nut off again > > > > > > > later. > > > > > > > Spinning wheel in the forks it looked true and has no play. Axle > > > > > > > spins > > > > > > > but not without effort, I am assuming speedo is slowing it down. > > > > > > > > I examined the fork tubes carefully with a strait > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en.
