New bearings would be in order.
________________________________ From: Snookfever <[email protected]> To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 4:21:36 PM Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further Dennis: After an over night soak in blaster and a longer wrench from a neighbor I got the axel apart. The axel is straight and all parts are present according to my shop manual. What next? Captain Obvious: Yes, I have been using "PB" Blaster and a Heat Gun, would have used a torch but I did not want to melt the bearring dust covers or plastic gears in the spedo. The problem was leverage... size does matter! Glen On Jan 27, 3:21 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > I am starting to lose it. > > ________________________________ > From: Kim Paddock <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 8:35:10 AM > Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further > > Hey Dennis...will you tell this wingnut that he needs to use PB blaster to > get his axle nut loose? He listens to you...somewhat. > > ________________________________ > From: Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 9:36:26 PM > Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further > > I wouldn't reassemble it till I found out why that is. Too many parts in > there to disregard. Stepped spacer one side, speedometer drive other side. > Two bearings, spacer inside. Axle nut 54' lbs. should be tight but not stuck > on unless over tightened. Over tightened would damage bearings and pull fork > tubes together. Missing internal spacer would allow nut to be over tightened. > Incorrect drive installation would spread forks. Maybe it's fine. The bottom > line is, it's your butt. For me, I wanna' know. The tire was the giveaway > that something is wrong. Don't quit untill you know and correct it. I can't > work this way, my job depends on me doing it right. For me, I'd put a socket > on the fixed end bolt head and clamp a breaker bar in a vise, and use the > same deal on the nut end. Put a piece of pipe on the bar and...it's coming > off. I can't let a customer ride a bike I "think" is OK. It better be right. > > ________________________________ > From: Snookfever <[email protected]> > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> > Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 8:42:32 PM > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further > > Dennis: > > I cant get the axel nut loose and I am afraid I am going to break a > nuckle or worse something on the bike. The wheel appears to spin > true.I think the axel is fine. I would like to proceed with > reassembly. Please advise. Please note I have replaced the brake > pads already. > > Glen > > On Jan 26, 12:41 am, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Send pix as attachments. The wear you describe is not right. Pads should > > wear evenly. Wheel is cocked to do this. Your measurements showed this too. > > That would cause the contact patch to be off-center. A careful re-assembly > > is going to take care of this. Still have to inspect the axle and get that > > right first. Gee, this bike will be totally different when you get done. > > Handle and brake better. > > > ________________________________ > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]> > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 12:29:33 AM > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further > > > Dennis; > > > I do not know how to post a picture to an existing string. The pads > > are worn as if on a skew. One pads is thinner at the top then it is at > > the bottom and the other pad is the opposite thicker on the top then > > on the bottom. Wheel spin was relative to axel in hand. When in the > > forks without brakes wheel spins smooth and easy. I took a picture of > > the pads and will try to e-mail to you directly.Still can get nut off > > soking it in blaster. > > > Glen > > > On Jan 25, 11:22 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Wear is uneven ? Send pix. Wheel requires some effort to turn ? Something > > > very wrong here. Get the axle apart and see. Resolve this before we go > > > any further. This sounds like an assembly problem. Incorrect order of > > > assembly or parts missing. The speedo drive cannot drag the wheel down > > > but a missing bearing spacer would. Let's see the pads and what they tell > > > us. The wear pattern is a giveaway. > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]> > > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 9:27:36 PM > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further > > > > Dennis: > > > > I have rexamined everything very closley and here is what I found: > > > > Found a very small amount of play in the neck, tightened 1/8 turn. > > > > Brake pads are mettalic and wear is uneven and down to 1/8 inch or > > > less (I have new organic pads). > > > > I still cant get axle nut loose. Fok oil leaked out of the anti-dive > > > adjust. Leak is now fixed will try to get axle nut off again later. > > > Spinning wheel in the forks it looked true and has no play. Axle spins > > > but not without effort, I am assuming speedo is slowing it down. > > > > I examined the fork tubes carefully with a strait edge and I cant find > > > any defects. > > > > What course of action do you recommend next? > > > > Glen > > > > On Jan 24, 11:12 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Is there any movement of the relationship between the upper and lower > > > > fork bridges while twisting ? Did you get the axle out ? > > > > While twisting the tubes, is there any movement of the very bottom of > > > > the fork ? Your measurements show that there is something flexed > > > > somewhere. The first things to flex are fork tubes. That's why this is > > > > so important. If you can't find any deviation in any component, then > > > > let's try reassembly in a very special sequence. > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]> > > > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 10:54:40 PM > > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further > > > > > Dennis: > > > > > Twisting forks in the clamps I do not notice any binding or tight > > > > spots? Now what? > > > > > Glen > > > > > On Jan 20, 10:51 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Other than disabling the anti-dive, it shouldn't make a difference. > > > > > There's something wrong with your bike and it may be cured by careful > > > > > re-assembly. But, don't hurry to get there. > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]> > > > > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> > > > > > Sent: Wed, January 20, 2010 10:28:58 PM > > > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further > > > > > > Dennis: > > > > > > Not sure if this could make a difference, but when I replace my fork > > > > > seals last year I disasembled the forks to clean out all the old oil > > > > > and I misplaced the ball berring and spring that act as the holder for > > > > > the anti dive adjustment nob. I assembled with out it and used an o > > > > > ring to hold the nob in place. I recently found the ball bering and > > > > > spring and replaced them tonight. > > > > > > Glen > > > > > > On Jan 20, 10:15 pm, Snookfever <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Dennis: > > > > > > > Calipers working fine, pins still have grease and slide smooth > > > > > > (calipers cleaned and pins greased when I did the fork seals last > > > > > > year) > > > > > > Brake pads at 50% look fine no unusual wear > > > > > > No problems with fork brace or fender > > > > > > Wheel mounted correctly > > > > > > Forks slide in an out smoothly > > > > > > Cant get axle nut loose to remove axle from wheel. Is it standard > > > > > > thread left loosy? > > > > > > Axle has no play > > > > > > Checked wheel base and it measure 59.5 inches (axle center to axle > > > > > > center). > > > > > > > What next? > > > > > > > On Jan 19, 10:45 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Very good. That was an incidental because it was a good time to > > > > > > > perform the check. Better to find a problem now and not later. > > > > > > > Twisting the fork tubes and such are more to the point. While you > > > > > > > have a small deviation from correct, it makes it harder to find > > > > > > > the exact flaw. I do expect the fork tubes to be somewhat flexed. > > > > > > > Another thought that passed through is a misplaced spacer on the > > > > > > > front axle. The purpose of all this is to return it to a near > > > > > > > perfect alignment in two planes. Yours is off in both. That's > > > > > > > what is leading me to flexed fork tubes. When this is > > > > > > > reassembled, there will be a sequence of operations to insure > > > > > > > alignment. I've found over the years that a good many people will > > > > > > > replace a tire and neglect the fine points of assembly. Go slow > > > > > > > and be methodical. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]> > > > > > > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 10:25:40 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further > > > > > > > > Dennis: > > > > > > > > Smooth as glass left to right and no movement up and down. Will > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > the brake calipers and front axle towmorrow. > > > > > > > > Glen > > > > > > > > On Jan 17, 4:52 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > This should keep you busy for a while. Get back to me. > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > Sent: Sun, January 17, 2010 1:28:23 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment > > > > > > > > > Dennis: > > > > > > > > > Test results are as you predicted. The front wheel is not > > > > > > > > square and > > > > > > > > it is not centered when compared to the rear. Off aligment by > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > +/- 3/8 inch and out of square by +/- 1/8 inch. Tires were 10 > > > > > > > > lbs low > > > > > > > > on air. No signs of front end damage or repair. Please note I > > > > > > > > replaced the fork seals when I first got it and completely > > > > > > > > dissasembled both forks . The shop manual doesnot specify a > > > > > > > > the fork > > > > > > > > placement (height) in the clamps. The are currently 3/8 inch > > > > > > > > (fork > > > > > > > > tube not including cap) above the top clamp same for both sides. > > > > > > > > > What next? > > > > > > > > > Glen > > > > > > > > > On Jan 15, 11:52 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote:> Start here Glen. > > > > > > > > > > alignment.doc > > > > > > > > > 29KViewDownload > > > > > > > > > -- > > ... > > read more ยป- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. 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