I thought I said sounded different. Oops. I didn't know about the torsion valve springing. Of course, it seems like an eccentric cam for adjustment would be the way to go. Was there ever a problem with the torsion bars? I only vaguely remember something about torsion bars, but I wasn't paying attention. I am sure I'd have freaked if someone asked me to adjust their valves on a 450 back then, but the one or two I saw that may have been so equipped I did not know at all. Back then, I rode one of three bikes or a 10-speed bicycle. I had a 125, 350, and a 550 Four. I wasn't too crazy about the 550, so I rented it out. That paid for the machine... Stanley
________________________________ From: Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, March 21, 2010 11:04:41 PM Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re:the week They look just like the imported bikes. This one was black. Only when you open the point cover and see just one set.... Then start it and it sounds more Brit than anything. A 360 crank. Both pistons rise and fall together, instead of the 180 crank that has them moving in opposite directions. Before the modern 180 /200 / 250 / 400 / 450...et al., the 180 crank was the way to go for the Japanese. The CB~CL 160 / 250 / 305 / 350 / 360 / 450 use them for balance and high R's. If you examine a Honda Dream (CA), you see a single carb. That's possible with a 360 crank. The Super Hawk was a 180 design. The throttle response was slower and the thing had a vibration mode more like a BSA. Yes, it's a beautiful engine, see attachment of '66 450. Torsion bar valve springs, eccentric valve adjusters, twilight zone tech for it's time. ________________________________ From: stanley/ Randolph <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, March 21, 2010 11:36:01 PM Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re:the week There was one like you describe on base, when I was in Puerto Rico, and it was just gorgeous. A deep, forest green. That explains why the engine looked different. ________________________________ From: Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, March 21, 2010 5:39:59 PM Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re:the week Many domestic Honda's came back here in the 70's. I saw a 450 that came over on an aircraft carrier. Very different bike. Single set of points, 360 crank. Italian inspired top end, Brit bottom. Kinda' like a twin cam Norton. ________________________________ From: stanley/ Randolph <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, March 21, 2010 1:31:59 PM Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re:the week My only hops were from Puerto Rico to La. twice. Landed in Charleston the first time and was not notified, so missed the takeoff; watched the plane leaving with all my luggage. Got another flight but it was way out of the way, with a connection to one of the bases in La. - England, I seem to recall. That one was just for leave; the second was for my grandmother's funeral. It went without a hitch, both ways. I wished I could have brought my 550 Four back with me, but both flights were rushed, and no time to strap it down. You are right about the turboprops. The props don't have to be perfectly balanced and I think that's why there is so much down time to either replace or adjust the props. They switched to four blades because it is easier to "balance" them. No, they just don't have to be as precisely balanced as a three-blade prop. Less hassle, less down time spent on props. The advantage of reversible props over jet engines with rear deflectors, however, is incredible. A C-130 can make a tactical landing in the length of a football field, fully loaded. That, of course, is why the bird has such heavy landing gear. But I digress. Many guys brought over Jap bikes directly from Japan. It cost $75 to crate it and just stick it on the plane on the way back - if there is room, which one has to determine ahead of time. It was cheaper than buying from the local dealership (Honda), which, I mentioned before, became so exasperated over having to replace exhausts on the Fours (350, 550, or 750 when it came out) under warranty that he offered aftermarket exhaust systems at a very tempting price, which most took to. By contrast, the 450 seemed to last forever. I felt its fit and finish was better, and its exhausts certainly stayed looking new for years if kept inside or cleaned regularly. Remember Puerto Rico is an island and the air base was right at the shore. Lots of salt spray in the air... ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, March 20, 2010 4:11:10 PM Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re:the week I did 2-hops coast-to-coast. Once from Norton/San Berdoo & the other from March/Riverside Wanted to go to Andrews on leave to visit my family here in the east. Got stranded in Columbus Ga. the 1st try & Biloxi the 2nd attempt. Did a C-141 & C-130. The jet engines sure are smoother than the prop-jobs. It's like going from an airliner to a commuter flight. Mar 20, 2010 03:50:42 PM, [email protected] wrote: They most definitely were, and our trainer when I was at Sheppard AFB referred to them as the hydraulic man's nightmare. I looked at hydraulic streamlets running down underneath the wing of one that had been parked for training, not flown in a long time. I would hate to be in the air with one. I like the C-130 and the C-5A. >The latter, BTW, is incredible. With a C-130, it's scary to be in a bucket >lift swaying as you work on the tail, looking down on those little people on >the ground; but a C-5A, well, you would have to have scaffolding to get that >high. Or a crane, or something... > > > > > > > ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" >To: [email protected] >Sent: Sat, March 20, 2010 1:58:56 PM >Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re:the week > >I heard they were a nightmare > >Bernie > > >Mar 20, 2010 12:48:48 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >Be happy that you weren't working on the F-111... >> >>Stanley >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" >>To: [email protected] >>Sent: Fri, March 19, 2010 2:02:24 AM >>Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] the week >> >>I wanted to travel the World & went to the MOJAVE (Dry Lake shuttle landing >>area) >> >>(My Dad signed me up @17. Did hydro/pneaumatics on F-4 Phantoms >> >> >>Mar 19, 2010 12:31:05 AM, [email protected] wrote: >> >>Well, it's a slower pace of life that's for sure. Lots of agriculture down >>here though. And I see Joh Deere dealerships scattered about. They've >>got folks that fix up old tractors - just like at home. >>> >>>I was in the Air Force as well and spent most of my time on a sand-bar >>>island on the Texas gulf coast called Matagorda Island. About 150 Air >>>Force guys, a mess hall, NCO club, four barracks and a live bombing range - >>>and about 60 gazillion cows. Folks in the service sure know how to have fun. >>> >>>Dennis G. >>>New Zealand >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>>From: [email protected] >>>[mailto:[email protected]]on Behalf Of [email protected] >>>Sent: 19 March, 2010 17:18 >>>To: [email protected] >>>Subject: Re: RE: [Nighthawk Lovers] pic of the week >>> >>> >>>I'm a farm boy. My Dad has a 47-International that starts on a dime. >>>Although, it doesn't have back brakes. >>>> >>>>I was in the Air Force and only went to the Mojave. NZ sounds like nirvana >>>> >>>> >>>>Mar 18, 2010 11:09:35 PM, [email protected] wrote: >>>> >>>>Yep, it did make me wonder why I gave up nursery work and farming >>>>activities to move down here in New Zealand. I could still be up atop my >>>>big John Deere waving my hat, smelling the diesel and yellin' Yahoo! >>>>> >>>>>Darn, >>>>> >>>>>Dennis G. >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>From: [email protected] >>>>>>[mailto:[email protected]]on Behalf Of [email protected] >>>>>>Sent: 19 March, 2010 16:40 >>>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>>Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] pic of the week >>>>>> >>>>>>I am Awestruck - My jaw is still dropped >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Mar 18, 2010 10:09:11 PM, [email protected] wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Jeff Rumer >>>>>>>(Magilla) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>--- On Thu, 3/18/10, Rich Groen wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>From: Rich Groen >>>>>>>>Subject: FW: John Deere "Trike" and Bubba >>>>>>>>To: "jeff rumer" >>>>>>>>Date: Thursday, March 18, 2010, 4:48 PM >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>________________________________ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 15:23:35 -0400 >>>>>>>>From: [email protected] >>>>>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>Subject: FW: John Deere "Trike" and Bubba >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>________________________________ From: [email protected] >>>>>>>>To: ;@smtp105.sbc.mail.ac4.yahoo.com >>>>>>>>Subject: John Deere "Trike" and Bubba >>>>>>>>Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 10:14:17 -0500 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Bubba, this here is what ya get when you mix your Deere with a whole >>>>>>>>>lot of beer and a little bit of time. 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