Wow, quick update here. Intel i7 Processor has 731 Million transistors... doubled already so knock 18 months off the deadline... call it 2190 now!!!
Andy On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Jack Coats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Only if you install the Flux Capacitor in your Tardis ;) > > ... Even Einstein didn't call E=MC**@ a law, just a good approximation > of what he could determine. > And to that extent the string theorists have proven that Einstein was > wright, in that his statement was wrong, > at least around the 'edges', but it, likes Newton's 'laws', are good > within their defined domain. Things tend > to brake down at the 'edges' and when boundry conditions that need new > understandings happen. > > I am guessing we will find the same with Moore's Law. Do we really need > transistors? Yep, flux capacitors > could be the next 'big thing' so we can re-start discussing Moore's law, > Global Warming, Global Cooling and all the > 'important topics' of the day! > > Time to go back to my hobbit hole and drink some KoolAide > > andrew mcelroy wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Andrew Farnsworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > > > Nope, it means that to continue Moore's law we will need to start > > making our computer chips out of denser and denser matter. It > > won't be long[*] before we need to start using Neurton stars as > > source material and not long after that before we will need to use > > the collapsed matter at the core of black holes. > > > > Not long galactically speaking... we are currently at appoximately > > 2^28 transistors. If we assume Moore's Law will continue > > indefinetely, we find that by 2150 we have reached 1.5E51 > > transistors. Now working backwards and assuming we will be > > running 1 Thz chips, we find that by the year 2100 we will need to > > be using material denser than water (Water has a density of > > approximately 1Kg / Liter) to surpas this limit. Wait! We > > already are using materials that are denser than water! Ok, > > Copper is about 9 times denser than water, lead is about 11 times > > denser than water. Ok, we will work with 10 as an easy number... > > hmm, this only gives us an extra 4 years. Ok, on to other > > materials. Iridium is 22x as dense. Another 18 months or so... > > Ahh, here we go, the core of the sun! 150x as dense as water... > > shoot, that is just another 4 years on top of iridium. Ok, lets > > go really dense... 100,000,000,000,000x as dense (10^14) which > > gives us to 2148. Better but not good enough. Black holes are > > next! 10^27 x as dense takes us to 2192.. Only another 50 years! > > So if we manage to continue Moore's law for the next 200 years we > > will all have a small black hole in our computer as the CPU.. > > Somehow I think that Moore's law will break down before then. > > > > > > ..but but what about a flux capacitor, surely we can some how right > > those things with duct tape and the moon's gravity to build full adders? > > > > > > Did I mention that I love math :-) > > > > nope :-) > > > > > > Andy > > > > Andrew > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Jack Coats <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > > > > > That means: turn off all computers and cell phones and global > > warming > > goes away? ;) > > > > Andrew Farnsworth wrote: > > > I found the following quote on the wikipedia page for the > > ZFS file > > > system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS) > > > > > > Quoting Jeff Bonwick ( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Bonwick) > > > > > > Although we'd all like Moore's Law > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore%27s_Law> to continue > > forever, > > > quantum mechanics > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mechanics> > > > imposes some fundamental limits on the computation rate and > > > information capacity of any physical device. In particular, > > it has > > > been shown that 1 kilogram > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilogram> of > > > matter confined to 1 litre > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litre> of > > > space can perform at most 10^51 operations per second on at > > most 10^31 > > > bits of information.^[10] > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS#cite_note-9> A fully > populated > > > 128-bit storage pool would contain 2^128 blocks = 2^137 > > bytes = 2^140 > > > bits; therefore the minimum mass required to hold the bits > > would be > > > (2^140 bits) / (10^31 bits/kg) = 136 billion kg. To > > operate at the > > > 10^31 bits/kg limit, however, the entire mass of the > > computer must be > > > in the form of pure energy. By E=mc², the rest energy of 136 > > billion > > > kg is 1.2x10^28 J <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joule>. The > > mass of > > > the oceans is about 1.4x10^21 kg. It takes about 4,000 J to > > raise the > > > temperature of 1 kg of water by 1 degree Celsius > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degree_Celsius>, and thus about > > > 400,000 J to heat 1 kg of water from freezing to boiling. > > The latent > > > heat of vaporization adds another 2 million J/kg. Thus the > > energy > > > required to boil the oceans is about 2.4x10^6 J/kg * > > 1.4x10^21 kg = > > > 3.4x10^27 J. Thus, fully populating a 128-bit storage pool > > would, > > > literally, require more energy than boiling the oceans.^[11] > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS#cite_note-10> > > > > > > > > > Nothing like imposing some hard limits on a system :-) > > > > > > Andy^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. 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