On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 6:27 AM, Andrew Farnsworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> Wow, quick update here. Intel i7 Processor has 731 Million transistors... > doubled already so knock 18 months off the deadline... call it 2190 now!!! Bah, binary processing is for the old fashioned! http://www2.computer.org/portal/web/csdl/doi/10.1109/40.918000 Title: "Toward Quantum Computation: A Five-Qubit Quantum Processor" Now we are talking about some computing power. Andrew > > Andy > > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Jack Coats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> Only if you install the Flux Capacitor in your Tardis ;) >> >> ... Even Einstein didn't call E=MC**@ a law, just a good approximation >> of what he could determine. >> And to that extent the string theorists have proven that Einstein was >> wright, in that his statement was wrong, >> at least around the 'edges', but it, likes Newton's 'laws', are good >> within their defined domain. Things tend >> to brake down at the 'edges' and when boundry conditions that need new >> understandings happen. >> >> I am guessing we will find the same with Moore's Law. Do we really need >> transistors? Yep, flux capacitors >> could be the next 'big thing' so we can re-start discussing Moore's law, >> Global Warming, Global Cooling and all the >> 'important topics' of the day! >> >> Time to go back to my hobbit hole and drink some KoolAide >> >> andrew mcelroy wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Andrew Farnsworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: >> > >> > Nope, it means that to continue Moore's law we will need to start >> > making our computer chips out of denser and denser matter. It >> > won't be long[*] before we need to start using Neurton stars as >> > source material and not long after that before we will need to use >> > the collapsed matter at the core of black holes. >> > >> > Not long galactically speaking... we are currently at appoximately >> > 2^28 transistors. If we assume Moore's Law will continue >> > indefinetely, we find that by 2150 we have reached 1.5E51 >> > transistors. Now working backwards and assuming we will be >> > running 1 Thz chips, we find that by the year 2100 we will need to >> > be using material denser than water (Water has a density of >> > approximately 1Kg / Liter) to surpas this limit. Wait! We >> > already are using materials that are denser than water! Ok, >> > Copper is about 9 times denser than water, lead is about 11 times >> > denser than water. Ok, we will work with 10 as an easy number... >> > hmm, this only gives us an extra 4 years. Ok, on to other >> > materials. Iridium is 22x as dense. Another 18 months or so... >> > Ahh, here we go, the core of the sun! 150x as dense as water... >> > shoot, that is just another 4 years on top of iridium. Ok, lets >> > go really dense... 100,000,000,000,000x as dense (10^14) which >> > gives us to 2148. Better but not good enough. Black holes are >> > next! 10^27 x as dense takes us to 2192.. Only another 50 years! >> > So if we manage to continue Moore's law for the next 200 years we >> > will all have a small black hole in our computer as the CPU.. >> > Somehow I think that Moore's law will break down before then. >> > >> > >> > ..but but what about a flux capacitor, surely we can some how right >> > those things with duct tape and the moon's gravity to build full adders? >> > >> > >> > Did I mention that I love math :-) >> > >> > nope :-) >> > >> > >> > Andy >> > >> > Andrew >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Jack Coats <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: >> > >> > >> > That means: turn off all computers and cell phones and global >> > warming >> > goes away? ;) >> > >> > Andrew Farnsworth wrote: >> > > I found the following quote on the wikipedia page for the >> > ZFS file >> > > system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS) >> > > >> > > Quoting Jeff Bonwick ( >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Bonwick) >> > > >> > > Although we'd all like Moore's Law >> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore%27s_Law> to continue >> > forever, >> > > quantum mechanics >> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mechanics> >> > > imposes some fundamental limits on the computation rate and >> > > information capacity of any physical device. In particular, >> > it has >> > > been shown that 1 kilogram >> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilogram> of >> > > matter confined to 1 litre >> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litre> of >> > > space can perform at most 10^51 operations per second on at >> > most 10^31 >> > > bits of information.^[10] >> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS#cite_note-9> A fully >> populated >> > > 128-bit storage pool would contain 2^128 blocks = 2^137 >> > bytes = 2^140 >> > > bits; therefore the minimum mass required to hold the bits >> > would be >> > > (2^140 bits) / (10^31 bits/kg) = 136 billion kg. To >> > operate at the >> > > 10^31 bits/kg limit, however, the entire mass of the >> > computer must be >> > > in the form of pure energy. By E=mc², the rest energy of 136 >> > billion >> > > kg is 1.2x10^28 J <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joule>. The >> > mass of >> > > the oceans is about 1.4x10^21 kg. It takes about 4,000 J to >> > raise the >> > > temperature of 1 kg of water by 1 degree Celsius >> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degree_Celsius>, and thus about >> > > 400,000 J to heat 1 kg of water from freezing to boiling. >> > The latent >> > > heat of vaporization adds another 2 million J/kg. Thus the >> > energy >> > > required to boil the oceans is about 2.4x10^6 J/kg * >> > 1.4x10^21 kg = >> > > 3.4x10^27 J. Thus, fully populating a 128-bit storage pool >> > would, >> > > literally, require more energy than boiling the oceans.^[11] >> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS#cite_note-10> >> > > >> > > >> > > Nothing like imposing some hard limits on a system :-) >> > > >> > > Andy^ >> > > >> > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> >> >> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. 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