On Monday, December 9, 2013, Forrest L Norvell wrote: > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Rick Waldron > <[email protected]<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', '[email protected]');> > > wrote: > >> On Monday, December 9, 2013, Isaac Schlueter wrote: >> >>> > Meanwhile, also looking as an outsider, I *don't* see the consensus >>> > forming around either "Joyent's control is fine" or "a non-profit would >>> > be better". The views on this from main contributors seem to be all >>> > over the map. >>> >>> The problem is that this mailing list is used by roughly 1% or less of >>> the Node community, and only a few "major contributors" have even bothered >>> to weigh in on this thread. >>> >>> >> I've had a message in my drafts for 3 days, wherein I request the closing >> of this group/mailing list on the grounds that non-technical discussion has >> polluted the waters to the point of uninhabitable toxicity. >> > > Rick, > > I'm glad you brought this up here, because I've seen you tweeting about it > and it bums me out. I agree that the vibe on this group is not what it > could be, but one of the most persistent problems I see in the Node > community is that we're pretty poor at communicating with ourselves > asynchronously (oh, irony). > > I would rather see this mailing list improve, and also work on extending > its reach into more of the community (which requires that people believe > that the list is actually valuable / welcoming). Resources like > https://github.com/mikeal/node-meatspace and > https://github.com/knode/meetups are valuable, but only deal with a small > piece of this. What would it take to make this into a resource that doesn't > irritate you or bum *you* out? >
FWIW, I also prefer improvement over abandonment. I'm on vacation, so I'll get back to you on the rest at a later time—thanks for understanding. Rick > > Also, to get back to the original topic (although I made my opinion on > this stuff pretty clear already), I more or less agree with Bradley's > typology of how open-source projects typically interact with foundations > over time. Maybe at some point it makes sense for Node to move under the > umbrella of something like the Conservancy (although – no offense intended > towards those who have contributed and gotten value from the ASF – the idea > of Apache Node.sf does not make me happy), and maybe that time is sooner > than a lot of us comfortable with the status quo might recognize. That > said, I still believe that Joyent has been a responsible steward for those > aspects of Node it has responsibility over and duties to maintain. A lot of > the speculation and might-bes people are going over here feel premature to > me. (And yeah, I'm friends with a substantial number of Joyent's staff, but > that's because I like them and think they're doing good work – my > livelihood comes from New Relic and non-Joyent projects alone.) > > F > > -- > -- > Job Board: http://jobs.nodejs.org/ > Posting guidelines: > https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Mailing-List-Posting-Guidelines > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "nodejs" group. > To post to this group, send email to > [email protected]<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', '[email protected]');> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', > 'nodejs%[email protected]');> > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nodejs?hl=en?hl=en > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "nodejs" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', > 'nodejs%[email protected]');>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- -- Job Board: http://jobs.nodejs.org/ Posting guidelines: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Mailing-List-Posting-Guidelines You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "nodejs" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nodejs?hl=en?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "nodejs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
