Totally.  Maybe I misunderstood him.

I just thought it was important he understand the relationship between
subnets and master browsers (as you mentioned also) given this statement:

"..If we put the PDC and user computers on the same logical
> > > (10.*) network with
> > > this firewall/router in-between the PDC and users and set the
> > > firewall/router to only forward the protocols we wanted,
> > > would this allow
> > > the PDC to be the master browser?  I'm assuming the answer is yes."

It's been along week.......

Take care ;)

-byron

-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:roger.seielstad@;inovis.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 4:47 AM
To: NT 2000 Discussions
Subject: RE: Moving PDC behind firewall


I was simply stating that I have no idea why you brought up browsing at all.
Its not really relevant to the entire discussion at hand, at least from my
point of view/

------------------------------------------------------
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Byron Kennedy [mailto:snail945@;yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 7:20 PM
> To: NT 2000 Discussions
> Subject: Re: Moving PDC behind firewall
> 
> 
> inline
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Seielstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "NT 2000 Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 10:12 AM
> Subject: RE: Moving PDC behind firewall
> 
> 
> > Browsing will work fine without the PDC being anywhere near
> a particular
> > subnet. There is a subnet master browser on every subnet,
> which is why
> they
> > call it a subnet master browser.
> 
> True.  there are more detials and that's why i recommended the article 
> ....it's my understanding that in addition to be being the domain 
> master browser, the PDC is the subnet master browser for the subnet it 
> is on (default setting/best pratice).  This is configurable...
> hence my saying
> "should'.
> 
>  regardless......
> 
> >
> > He's (I guess) trying to protect the PDC from
> hacking/malicious activity
> > from his user base.
> 
> If that's the stretegy then (i'm recommending) he 1 . say so
> clearly, and 2.
> build a tactical plan to support that.  This would ideally 
> included much
> more than port filtering.  most of the ports allowed to allow stuff to
> "work" are exploitable w/o upper layer security.  Other 
> line-items in the
> pan.
> 
> my .03 on it anyway........byron
> 
> 
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
> > Sr. Systems Administrator
> > Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
> > Atlanta, GA
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Byron Kennedy [mailto:byron@;markettools.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 7:55 PM
> > > To: NT 2000 Discussions
> > > Subject: RE: Moving PDC behind firewall
> > >
> > >
> > > Insulate?........Does not compute..... forgive me, I'm a 
> > > technologist. :) what are you specifically trying to do?
> > >
> > > The pdc will (should) be the master browser of the "subnet" it is 
> > > on.  Sound like you're a little unclear on one or both the 
> > > following:
> > >
> > > 1. how the MS browser service works
> > > 2. ip subnetting.
> > >
> > > If that's the case then query technet for "understanding 
> > > browsing", and query google for "ip subnetting", read up on each, 
> > > then
> re-post your
> > > detailed rational and plan-of-attack.  I'd recommend you have a 
> > > more solid understanding of what's happening here before taking 
> > > down your production
> > > network.
> > >
> > > byron
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: /dev/null [mailto:dev.null@;beginthread.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:59 AM
> > > To: NT 2000 Discussions
> > > Subject: Re: Moving PDC behind firewall
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks everyone for the info on this admittedly weird request.
> > >
> > > Everyone has asked why, here's the reason:
> > >
> > > > It's clear (to me at least)the "trusted" LAN is being redefined.
> > >
> > > We're wanting to insulate the PDC from the users.
> > >
> > > Ed Esgro said "PDC will run but it will not be the master browser 
> > > for your 10.x.x.x network it will be the master browser for your
> > > 192.x.x.x network".
> > > If we put the PDC and user computers on the same logical
> > > (10.*) network with
> > > this firewall/router in-between the PDC and users and set the
> > > firewall/router to only forward the protocols we wanted,
> > > would this allow
> > > the PDC to be the master browser?  I'm assuming the answer is yes.
> > >
> > > Thanks again for everyone's help.
> > >
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