-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley Sent: Monday, 13 January 2014 1:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Small Remote Office Remote File Server Access
> Server 2012 R2 > Enable the Essentials role. > You now have Rdgateway server deployed via a wizard. Open up RDP settings, > put in the rdgateway url and you are off and running. So, OP is already up for a new OS license, since they don't have 2012 R2. Possibly new hardware to run this OS instance on, and what are they RD-ing into? If they've taken their laptop out of the office, the presumably you need a RD host as well (which means RDP CAL licensing)? Or am I misunderstanding how this works? > I'm not talking Citrix, it's merely RDgateway/TS. Why not deploy a Citrix solution? I mean, it has even more features and benefits than basic Microsoft RDP based solution. The only downside is even more cost - but cost seems to be irrelevant here for some reason :-| > VPN truly does bring in way more risk than a RDS solution. "Way more risk" - what risk specifically? VPN would allow people to work offline/disconnected on documents. It could also be implemented for $0 in CAPEX, and if it doesn't work out, you could always buy what's necessary for an RDP solution. If it does work out, then a whole bunch of spending's been avoided. Surely that's a relevant consideration as well? > Added to that I can now offer up the same desktop experience. I don't understand this. The users are taking their laptops or iPads with them. They don't get "the same desktop" experience by utilising the same device in-office and out-of-office? I'm not saying "don't go RDP", but I'm just not seeing any real requirement that justifies the extra expense that will be involved. Cheers Ken -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley Sent: Monday, 13 January 2014 1:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Small Remote Office Remote File Server Access Server 2012 R2 Enable the Essentials role. You now have Rdgateway server deployed via a wizard. Open up RDP settings, put in the rdgateway url and you are off and running. I'm not talking Citrix, it's merely RDgateway/TS. I don't spend a billion dollars in IT, however I am a small business and thus there are different pros and cons based on the space each of us work in. VPN truly does bring in way more risk than a RDS solution. Added to that I can now offer up the same desktop experience. On 1/12/2014 4:15 PM, Ken Schaefer wrote: > I work in a "large organisation" - we spend well over a billion dollars a > year on IT&T. We have both huge Citrix farms, and we have VPNs as well. I'm > quite familiar with the pros/cons of the options. > > No one is saying that the RD solution doesn't have benefits. But there is a > CAPEX and an ongoing OPEX cost to building and supporting a RD gateway > solution, and it will probably be significantly more than a VPN, when the > sole purpose is to access an existing file share. > > -- > http://au.linkedin.com/in/kschaefer > Typed on a Lenovo Helix - apologies for brevity > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of James Hill > Sent: Monday, 13 January 2014 10:54 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] Small Remote Office Remote File Server Access > > VPN greatly amplifies the risk. It creates a direct link between the client > and the server for all sorts of traffic. With RD Gateway it's only RDP > traffic over https. > > Even for large firms, a thin solution often makes a lot more sense. The > data is kept on the server so there are all the benefits of centralilsed > data. Performance is great as there is no perceivable difference between > opening a 2MB file vs a 20MB file. No special client is needed for Windows > devices, they can even go to a RDWEB page on ANY windows device and login. > Whether that is a home computer, hotel kiosk etc. That means virtually zero > effort required by helpdesk/desktop support as they don't have to install and > configure vpn clients, manage OS and application patches or security software. > > The user experience is greatly improved as the user is accessing the same > desktop each time. All their shortcuts and settings are the same. They > don't have to copy files from device to device. The list of benefits far > outweighs a VPN solution. > > As Robert has a 400Mbps internet link I don't think the small cost of 6 RD > licenses is going to break the bank. > > James. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer > Sent: Sunday, 12 January 2014 2:33 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] Small Remote Office Remote File Server Access > > VPN means the data /may/ be copied to the mobile device - but if I open a > file from a file server, make my edits, and then save the file, it'd be saved > back to the file server, and not reside on my device. > > Given that these people are in the office normally, they can simply copy the > files onto their device when they're in the office. Having a VPN doesn't > really amplify the risk. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Susan Bradley > Sent: Sunday, 12 January 2014 3:30 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Small Remote Office Remote File Server Access > > VPN means the data will be on the laptops and on ipads. > > Remote desktop services means that the files stay in the network where you > can protect them better. > On 1/11/2014 10:17 AM, Chyka, Robert wrote: >> That is where my mind is at. Still I see simple VPN into the Watchguard >> then direct access to the server shares. I just haven't been in the loop >> with smaller office technologies so I wanted to see if I was missing >> anything that is newer, quicker, better without compromising security. >> >> -Bob C. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer >> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 5:05 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] Small Remote Office Remote File Server Access >> >> What's wrong with a simple VPN? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley >> Sent: Saturday, 11 January 2014 5:43 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Small Remote Office Remote File Server Access >> >> A remote desktop server that they can hit via rdgateway. Especially those >> ipads. >> That would also entail a VL version of Office to be installed on that RDS >> server. >> >> Small businesses don't buy the VL licenses in order to support direct access. >> >> On 1/10/2014 8:42 PM, Chyka, Robert wrote: >>> We have a small remote office (6 users) with a Windows 2008R2 DC and >>> a Windows 2012 DC/File server. The only activity this office performs >>> on the network is web research and a lot of legal case document >>> creation and editing - mostly in Word. >>> >>> At our main office we use VON to access our file server and home >>> directories remotely (Cisco ASA 5520s for VPN) and have 400 megs of >>> bandwidth. At our small remote site we have the following gear: >>> >>> -Time Warner Business Class 25/10 >>> >>> -WatchGuard XTM 25 Firewall (inherited, not spec'd) >>> >>> For remote access to our 2012 file server using either Windows >>> laptops or Ipads what do you recommend for best performance and >>> connectivity? >>> >>> I was looking at Windows 2012 Anywhere Access but wanted to get >>> expert opinions in the small business sector. >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >
