And monthly hosting fees comes out of IT? Not really - they're just a beancounter accounting concept too. They could just put 3 years' worth of hosting fees in a special account, and draw it down monthly - same pain.
If you don't depreciate, then you never budget for funds to refresh your hardware. Just because you /don't/ do it, and choose to work off a cash-basis, doesn't make it the better way of doing it. The way you describe is, easier, (heck, it's how I handle my internal personal IT), but it certainly doesn't scale. Cheers Ken -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley Sent: Wednesday, 23 July 2014 10:54 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you've heard already... Depreciation is not cash outflow. It's a beancounter accounting matching concept. Small businesses purchase based on the cash in the bank. When there's cash we go and buy the item. This is moving a plunk the cash and pay for it versus a monthly amount. For some firms this monthly amount makes sense when they are starting out. Given the life span of equipment, the users, etc, after four years (and we keep hardware for five more more) the cost of premises is (well right now) typically less. Besides, as a small business depreciation tends to not come into play (usa speaking) as we use Section 179 and fully write it off in the year of purchase. It's not the same monthly cost. At this time monthly renting is more. As Rod says, this will change. That tipping point is coming, but it's not quite here yet. Susan Bradley Meet up with me, Amy, Philip and Jeremy at the Brain Explosion in Florida this September. I'll be talking about protecting your network http://www.thirdtier.net/brain-explosion/ On 7/22/2014 5:45 PM, Ken Schaefer wrote: > I wasn't aware that buying your own hardware and hosting in-house was free > either. If you buy hardware, then you need to incur a depreciation charge > every month - same monthly cost. > > Cheers > Ken > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley > Sent: Wednesday, 23 July 2014 10:06 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you've heard already... > > And pay every month for the virtual machine. > > Remember not for profits get dirt cheap software. I'm not aware that they > get dirt cheap Azure virtual machines. > > Susan Bradley > Meet up with me, Amy, Philip and Jeremy at the Brain Explosion in > Florida this September. I'll be talking about protecting your network > http://www.thirdtier.net/brain-explosion/ > > On 7/22/2014 4:57 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> That's becoming less of an issue. You can now create your own local >> server and app images and upload them to Azure to run in a VM of your >> creation. Eliminates the compatibility issues. >> >> Sent from my Surface Pro 3 >> >> *From:* J- P <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 22, 2014 6:49 PM >> *To:* '[email protected]' >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> At one non-profit I work for , when upgrading/updating to latest >> accounting application version , the salesperson himself said >> >> "based on the amount of modules you use, you would be wise to host in >> on premise" >> >> >> >> >> >> Jean-Paul Natola >> >> >> >>> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 14:23:53 -0700 >>> From: [email protected] >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you've heard already... >>> >>> I still have a fair bit of line of business apps that aren't in the >>> cloud (granted that's a yet) and if that vendor moves to the cloud >>> it's highly unlikely to be in Microsoft's cloud. >>> >>> Meanwhile back at the cloud we pick really sucky passwords and we >>> are not solving the access problems of divergent cloud vendors. >>> >>> Small businesses that are just starting out may be more Google apps >>> ready than Microsoft cloud ready. >>> >>> >>> Susan Bradley >>> Meet up with me, Amy, Philip and Jeremy at the Brain Explosion in >> Florida this September. I'll be talking about protecting your network >>> http://www.thirdtier.net/brain-explosion/ >>> >>> On 7/22/2014 2:16 PM, Rod Trent wrote: >>>> The Cloud is all about small business - at least from Microsoft's >> perspective. >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 5:07 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you've heard already... >>>> >>>> Any word on Convergence (Dynamics/CRM conference)? >>>> >>>> (and as a small business, and I know that Teched never focused on >> small business, but the total "for enterprise" focus makes me want to >> remind Microsoft that they too were a small business at one time) >>>> >>>> Susan Bradley >>>> Meet up with me, Amy, Philip and Jeremy at the Brain Explosion in >> Florida this September. I'll be talking about protecting your network >> http://www.thirdtier.net/brain-explosion/ >>>> On 7/22/2014 1:57 PM, Michael B. Smith wrote: >>>>> It’s been yelled about, cursed, discussed, and hammered to death >>>>> in various private forums, before it was ever announced publicly. >>>>> >>>>> The MVPs (Lync, Exchange, SharePoint, Office, I can’t speak for >> any of >>>>> the rest) hate it. >>>>> >>>>> Rod can tell us for certain, but I’m pretty sure the System Center >>>>> folks hate it too (they had MMS). >>>>> >>>>> *From:*[email protected] >>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *William >> Robbins >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 22, 2014 4:50 PM >>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you've heard already... >>>>> >>>>> I'm kind of surprised this topic has laid here quietly this long. >>>>> I've never been able to go to any of the (now cancelled) >>>>> conferences for one reason or the other, but I always had the >>>>> impression they >> were >>>>> considered a rather big deal by IT folk that attended. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - WJR >>>>> See-no-evil monkeyHear-no-evil monkeySpeak-no-evil monkey >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Rod Trent >>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> …but, TechEd, MEC, and all other events are being replaced. >>>>> >>>>> http://windowsitpro.com/cloud/teched-dead-long-live >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> > >
