Small businesses have no concept of IT, it's just an office expense they
pay. The budget is our checkbook.
Small businesses in the usa file tax returns typically on the cash
basis, not on accrual. Depreciation to the typically small biz in the
USA is totally a CPA concept of matching. It's not something they even
keep track of. To a small business they do things only based on if they
money is there to pay for it.
Again, I just know the numbers and right now the breakeven is at the 4
year mark (at this time). Keep the hardware for more than 4 years,
premises is cheaper.
Susan Bradley
Meet up with me, Amy, Philip and Jeremy at the Brain Explosion in Florida this
September. I'll be talking about protecting your network
http://www.thirdtier.net/brain-explosion/
On 7/22/2014 6:01 PM, Ken Schaefer wrote:
And monthly hosting fees comes out of IT? Not really - they're just a
beancounter accounting concept too. They could just put 3 years' worth of
hosting fees in a special account, and draw it down monthly - same pain.
If you don't depreciate, then you never budget for funds to refresh your
hardware. Just because you /don't/ do it, and choose to work off a cash-basis,
doesn't make it the better way of doing it. The way you describe is, easier,
(heck, it's how I handle my internal personal IT), but it certainly doesn't
scale.
Cheers
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
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Sent: Wednesday, 23 July 2014 10:54 AM
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Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you've heard already...
Depreciation is not cash outflow. It's a beancounter accounting matching
concept. Small businesses purchase based on the cash in the bank. When
there's cash we go and buy the item. This is moving a plunk the cash and pay
for it versus a monthly amount. For some firms this monthly amount makes sense
when they are starting out. Given the life span of equipment, the users, etc,
after four years (and we keep hardware for five more more) the cost of premises
is (well right now) typically less.
Besides, as a small business depreciation tends to not come into play (usa
speaking) as we use Section 179 and fully write it off in the year of purchase.
It's not the same monthly cost. At this time monthly renting is more.
As Rod says, this will change. That tipping point is coming, but it's not
quite here yet.
Susan Bradley
Meet up with me, Amy, Philip and Jeremy at the Brain Explosion in Florida this
September. I'll be talking about protecting your network
http://www.thirdtier.net/brain-explosion/
On 7/22/2014 5:45 PM, Ken Schaefer wrote:
I wasn't aware that buying your own hardware and hosting in-house was free
either. If you buy hardware, then you need to incur a depreciation charge every
month - same monthly cost.
Cheers
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley
Sent: Wednesday, 23 July 2014 10:06 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you've heard already...
And pay every month for the virtual machine.
Remember not for profits get dirt cheap software. I'm not aware that they get
dirt cheap Azure virtual machines.
Susan Bradley
Meet up with me, Amy, Philip and Jeremy at the Brain Explosion in
Florida this September. I'll be talking about protecting your network
http://www.thirdtier.net/brain-explosion/
On 7/22/2014 4:57 PM, [email protected] wrote:
That's becoming less of an issue. You can now create your own local
server and app images and upload them to Azure to run in a VM of your
creation. Eliminates the compatibility issues.
Sent from my Surface Pro 3
*From:* J- P <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 22, 2014 6:49 PM
*To:* '[email protected]'
<mailto:[email protected]>
At one non-profit I work for , when upgrading/updating to latest
accounting application version , the salesperson himself said
"based on the amount of modules you use, you would be wise to host in
on premise"
Jean-Paul Natola
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 14:23:53 -0700
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you've heard already...
I still have a fair bit of line of business apps that aren't in the
cloud (granted that's a yet) and if that vendor moves to the cloud
it's highly unlikely to be in Microsoft's cloud.
Meanwhile back at the cloud we pick really sucky passwords and we
are not solving the access problems of divergent cloud vendors.
Small businesses that are just starting out may be more Google apps
ready than Microsoft cloud ready.
Susan Bradley
Meet up with me, Amy, Philip and Jeremy at the Brain Explosion in
Florida this September. I'll be talking about protecting your network
http://www.thirdtier.net/brain-explosion/
On 7/22/2014 2:16 PM, Rod Trent wrote:
The Cloud is all about small business - at least from Microsoft's
perspective.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 5:07 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you've heard already...
Any word on Convergence (Dynamics/CRM conference)?
(and as a small business, and I know that Teched never focused on
small business, but the total "for enterprise" focus makes me want to
remind Microsoft that they too were a small business at one time)
Susan Bradley
Meet up with me, Amy, Philip and Jeremy at the Brain Explosion in
Florida this September. I'll be talking about protecting your network
http://www.thirdtier.net/brain-explosion/
On 7/22/2014 1:57 PM, Michael B. Smith wrote:
It’s been yelled about, cursed, discussed, and hammered to death
in various private forums, before it was ever announced publicly.
The MVPs (Lync, Exchange, SharePoint, Office, I can’t speak for
any of
the rest) hate it.
Rod can tell us for certain, but I’m pretty sure the System Center
folks hate it too (they had MMS).
*From:*[email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *William
Robbins
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 22, 2014 4:50 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you've heard already...
I'm kind of surprised this topic has laid here quietly this long.
I've never been able to go to any of the (now cancelled)
conferences for one reason or the other, but I always had the
impression they
were
considered a rather big deal by IT folk that attended.
- WJR
See-no-evil monkeyHear-no-evil monkeySpeak-no-evil monkey
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Rod Trent
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
…but, TechEd, MEC, and all other events are being replaced.
http://windowsitpro.com/cloud/teched-dead-long-live
