RE: WAKE UP!!!!

[Clayton]

Title: RE: WAKE UP!!!!

I agree William. How could you comprehend something like this, let alone prepare for it. Now that it has happened, no one should be blamed for a lack of security, whatever. The fact is, if someone wants to breach security bad enough, they will. It’s what we keep telling ourselves when discussing securing our networks. This is a time to assess processes, and make changes where appropriate, but more importantly, it is the time to unite in the defense of the free world.   On that note, are Hacker’s technically terrorists or what?   Clayton Doige IT Manager MCSE, MCP + I Gameday International N.V.  Bound in a nutshell, King of infinite space... T: +5 999 736 0309 ext 4537 C: +5 999 563 1845 F: +5 999 733 1259 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 2:06 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: WAKE UP!!!!   I appreciate your suggestion.  I have.  My definitions of those terms remain different.   I am curious what we could have done different to prevent Tuesday, as Andrew asked.   -----Original Message----- From: Ron Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: WAKE UP!!!! I suggest you read up on Benjamin Franklin and the other 55 men who eventually signed the Declaration of Independence. They were under no illusions. They knew they were committing high treason against the Crown and that the penalty for doing so was death by hanging. They understood quite clearly that they were indeed pledging "to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor". Ron   -----Original Message----- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:48 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: WAKE UP!!!!   I don't know if Benjamin Franklin can assess what I deserve, nor would he know my definition of those terms. I have no idea what would need to be changed. Preventing access to the cockpit from the fuselage while the plane is in flight?  Ground-based override of plane controls? (no corruption possibilities there, eh?). I don't know.  Are you suggesting that nothing be changed? William   -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:43 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: WAKE UP!!!!   >>Please, explain to the families of those missing or dead >>why we should not give up any liberty in exchange for security; "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin   Please explain what SECURITY measures should have been taken on the morning of the 11th that would have prevented the tragedy... - ASB     -----Original Message----- From: PITNEY,LDENISE (A-Sonoma,ex1) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 2:12 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: WAKE UP!!!!   A friend of mine who just had a baby told me "You know they only call it morning sickness. It actually lasts all day."  It's kinda like 'free'dom, it's not really free that's just what it's called. Econ 200 Professor Wells, The University of Arizona in Tucson --"There is no such thing as a free lunch, ..and if you say love...we know you're a freshman." The 'free'dom we've had all these years has never been FREE!! Ask anyone whose served during a war -- personally our 'free'dom has cost me an uncle (whom I never met), a father who still can't watch war movies and has skin problems because of agent orange, another uncle who is slightly off, and let's not forget about taxes; 'free'dom costs me more than 30% a year. You can_not_have_it_all. It is as simple as supply and demand -- in your personal life, can you spend all of the money you work for on any whimsical idea that pops into your head? No, because you will be less; homeless, clothes-less, penniless but if that is your decision you have the choice to make it so, but you can not have it both ways. As we've learned recently, the 'free'dom we all think is 'free' has cost us around $20billion, (I think that's a low figure too) -- it doesn't include lives either. Please, explain to the families of those missing or dead why we should not give up any liberty in exchange for security; you should be able to find their phone numbers one of the news websites as they were on television last night making desperate pleas for their loved ones. Terrorist came to our country and moved about freely, and have turned our own freedoms against us; but we don't want the FBI to scan email? Claim slippery-slope if you want to, but something, as compared to nothing (what happened on Tuesday) seems like a better option at this point. Don't be confused, it's cost a H*ll of a lot to be free, we just don't calculate the hidden costs. Denise   -----Original Message----- From: Benjamin Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:11 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: The idiocy continues!   On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Jolley Lee @Consult wrote: > I don't want to sound really stupid here...I live in the UK and i'm not > sure what all of the loss of freedom threads are about. Is something > happening in the US?   Nothing, yet.  But there are real, and arugably justifiable, fears that our civil liberties will be sacrificed as a result of these attacks. -- Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not | | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, entity or | | organization.  All information is provided without warranty of any kind. http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm