For a good PM. I will say that, in my experience, a PM with experience in the tech that they are doing PM for, is more effective than a PM who does NOT have that experience.
Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Gary Slinger [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 7:58 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: PMI PMP Certification You have no idea what you're talking about. PM, QA and imp team are all at corp HQ. Let's say it's in Houston. Dev's are outsourced. Tata, whatever. Pick one. They're in Mumbai. You really think that team is going to work for a lead 'developer"? A dev is still a dev. I can see a limited exception for somewhere like Microsoft. Suggesting as a baseline that the PM work for the dev is moronic, even in the tiny little one dev one PM example you give. Scale it out - suppose the PM has 30 projects, and ten of them aren't IT? (Building move, HVAC replace, conference spool up, etc.). Suppose this isn't IT? One PM, and pickhowevermany carpenters, bricklayers, plumbers, etc. The PM works for the 'business' (the GC or owner's rep, e.g. this case). PMI isn't the be all and end all, but it's scaleable generic project management. I'm neither a PM nor a Dev, by the way. They both work for me. ________________________________ From: Tigran K <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 16:51:26 -0700 To: NT System Admin Issues<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: PMI PMP Certification Easy 1 Lead Dev --T On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Gary Slinger <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I'm going to go and get some popcorn... How do you think that will play out when it's one PM, five concurrent dev teams, a QA team and production implementation and operations folks? (And that's before I take 'PM' out of the 'just for IT' space). ________________________________ From: Tigran K <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 16:44:24 -0700 To: NT System Admin Issues<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: PMI PMP Certification I agree my sample size is not sufficient that's why I'm asking what does a project manager do? Here's an example. Project is running late and the CIO comes in the room and says get this thing done. He's not talking to the project manager because no matter what the project manager does if he's not skilled in the particular software he can't get it done. So really the guy getting the job done is the skilled worker. The one that has the technical knowledge. I'm suggesting the system is broken. In current business environment it appears as the technical person is working for the project manager. I'm saying it should be the other way around. The project manager should be working for the technical guy. --Tigran On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Andrew S. Baker <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: True, but my real point was that just because you may appear to be surrounded by lots of ineffective <insert job specification here>, it doesn't mean that your sample size was sufficient to judge the validity of the entire discipline. To be honest, I've even managed to meet a few good lawyers. (For the record, I'm aware of more lousy or ineffective IT professionals than stellar ones...) ASB http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 4:32 PM, John Cook <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Isn't that kind of like saying "you need smarter users"? If only I could pick and choose........ John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610<tel:%28352%29%20244-1610> Cell (352) 215-6944<tel:%28352%29%20215-6944> MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 4:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: PMI PMP Certification You need to be working with better project and program managers. ASB http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Tigran K <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: The only thing I see project managers do is schedule meetings, take notes that nobody will see and get in the way of good technical discussions. Can somebody tell me why they need a cert program to use outlook? --Tigran On Aug 1, 2011, at 12:52 PM, Jacob <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Know the input and outputs for each process and the 30ish formulas. The exam is not easy. If you have not applied for the test, you better get on it. If you are lucky to get audited, I do not think you will be able to get it in by the 31st. You also have to document 4500 hours of project management experience. http://www.rmcproject.com/about/pmp-examination-changes.aspx Also, get Rita's study guides. Worth it. http://www.rmcproject.com/index.aspx Jacob From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 11:14 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT: PMI PMP Certification I was wondering if there were any certified PMPs out there that could give me pointers on the exam. I had planned on taking it in around two months, but I just caught wind of the fact PMI is changing it on August 31. So now I'm cramming to see if I can get it done before the change. I took two project management courses in grad school pretty recently, and am currently reading a couple of PMP study guides. 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