Just to reiterate. I'm not suggesting removing PM from the equation all together. I'm just saying give the tech lead guy a more overseer role than the PM.
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Ken Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote: > In small projects, the PM can be a bit superfluous. As budgets tend to be > small, scope is limited etc, a senior tech could run the project.**** > > ** ** > > On large projects, scope, budgets, scheduling, deliverable management, > document control etc. all need to be handled. Not to mention endless amounts > of dashboard reporting. Tech guys like to work on technology. However that > doesn’t get requirements/scope documentation done. It doesn’t get business > cases written. Tech guys generally don’t like producing Gantt charts etc.* > *** > > ** ** > > As someone mentioned previously, most PMs are useless. They think that a PM > can manage any type of project, which I disagree with. Personally I feel > that many PMs couldn’t make it in a more technical career, so they just fell > into PM land. But, I likewise feel that many techs are underwhelming too J > **** > > ** ** > > Lastly, if no one reads the minutes, then something’s wrong. On large > projects, you should always be reading the minutes of each meeting, > especially if you are a senior tech.**** > > ** ** > > Cheers**** > > Ken**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Tigran K [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 August 2011 9:51 AM > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: PMI PMP Certification**** > > ** ** > > Easy**** > > 1 Lead Dev**** > > ** ** > > --T**** > > On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Gary Slinger <[email protected]> > wrote:**** > > I'm going to go and get some popcorn... > > How do you think that will play out when it's one PM, five concurrent dev > teams, a QA team and production implementation and operations folks? > > (And that's before I take 'PM' out of the 'just for IT' space). **** > ------------------------------ > > *From: *Tigran K <[email protected]> **** > > *Date: *Mon, 1 Aug 2011 16:44:24 -0700**** > > *To: *NT System Admin Issues<[email protected]>**** > > *ReplyTo: *"NT System Admin Issues" <[email protected] > >**** > > *Subject: *Re: PMI PMP Certification**** > > ** ** > > I agree my sample size is not sufficient that's why I'm asking what does a > project manager do?**** > > ** ** > > Here's an example. Project is running late and the CIO comes in the room > and says get this thing done. He's not talking to the project manager > because no matter what the project manager does if he's not skilled in the > particular software he can't get it done. So really the guy getting the job > done is the skilled worker. The one that has the technical knowledge.**** > > ** ** > > I'm suggesting the system is broken. In current business environment it > appears as the technical person is working for the project manager. I'm > saying it should be the other way around. The project manager should be > working for the technical guy.**** > > ** ** > > --Tigran**** > > On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Andrew S. Baker <[email protected]> wrote: > **** > > True, but my real point was that just because you may appear to be > surrounded by lots of ineffective *<insert job specification here>*, it > doesn't mean that your sample size was sufficient to judge the validity of > the entire discipline.**** > > ** ** > > To be honest, I've even managed to meet a few good lawyers. > > (For the record, I'm aware of more lousy or ineffective IT professionals > than stellar ones...) > > **** > > ** ** > > *ASB***** > > *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker***** > > *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…***** > > > > **** > > On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 4:32 PM, John Cook <[email protected]> wrote:**** > > Isn’t that kind of like saying “you need smarter users”? If only I could > pick and choose……..**** > > **** > > *John W. Cook***** > > *System Administrator***** > > *Partnership For Strong Families***** > > *5950 NW 1st Place***** > > *Gainesville, Fl 32607***** > > *Office (352) 244-1610***** > > *Cell (352) 215-6944***** > > *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4***** > > **** > > *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:[email protected]] **** > > *Sent:* Monday, August 01, 2011 4:18 PM**** > > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: PMI PMP Certification**** > > **** > > You need to be working with better project and program managers. > **** > > *ASB***** > > *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker***** > > *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…***** > > ** ** > > On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Tigran K <[email protected]> wrote:**** > > The only thing I see project managers do is schedule meetings, take notes > that nobody will see and get in the way of good technical discussions.**** > > **** > > Can somebody tell me why they need a cert program to use outlook? > > --Tigran**** > > > On Aug 1, 2011, at 12:52 PM, Jacob <[email protected]> wrote:**** > > Know the input and outputs for each process and the 30ish formulas. The > exam is not easy.**** > > **** > > If you have not applied for the test, you better get on it. If you are > lucky to get audited, I do not think you will be able to get it in by the 31 > st. You also have to document 4500 hours of project management experience. > **** > > **** > > http://www.rmcproject.com/about/pmp-examination-changes.aspx**** > > **** > > Also, get Rita’s study guides. Worth it. > http://www.rmcproject.com/index.aspx**** > > **** > > Jacob**** > > **** > > **** > > *From:* John Hornbuckle [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Monday, August 01, 2011 11:14 AM > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* OT: PMI PMP Certification**** > > **** > > I was wondering if there were any certified PMPs out there that could give > me pointers on the exam.**** > > **** > > I had planned on taking it in around two months, but I just caught wind of > the fact PMI is changing it on August 31. So now I’m cramming to see if I > can get it done before the change.**** > > **** > > I took two project management courses in grad school pretty recently, and > am currently reading a couple of PMP study guides.**** > > **** > > **** > > John Hornbuckle**** > > MIS Department**** > > Taylor County School District**** > > www.taylor.k12.fl.us**** > > **** > > ** ** > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to [email protected] > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin**** > > ** ** > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to [email protected] > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin**** > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to [email protected] > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin**** > > ** ** > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to [email protected] > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin**** > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to [email protected] > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to [email protected] with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
