The point is context and who has said what. The list sponsors have indicated that a change in licensing is responsible for the throttling of messages to this list.
So if the licensing model has been consistent since the '90s then one can only presume that the licensing level in use on this list has changed. The entire context of this discussion has been based on poor list performance, GFI indicating it was due to Lyris licensing. I have no idea how Lyris is licensed. But if what you say is true, that the model has been consistent, then the actual licensing level is what has changed. On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 10:41 PM, Ken Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote: > I’m sorry, but I’m missing your point here.**** > > ** ** > > From my side, I’m stating that Lyris licensing hasn’t changed > significantly for nearly 20 years, and so arguing over whether it’s a good > way of licensing is probably pointless. Those that use Lyris have known and > accepted the licensing model.**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Monday, 26 March 2012 10:32 AM > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: Good SBS list**** > > ** ** > > The list performance hasn't been an issue, before.**** > > On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Ken Schaefer <[email protected]> > wrote:**** > > Lyris has been licenced like this since (at least) the 1990s. > > Can we move on please?**** > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:[email protected]]**** > > Sent: Sunday, 25 March 2012 9:34 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues**** > > Subject: RE: Good SBS list > > I admittedly deaned a whole slew of messages from here... fortunately I > didn't miss the real important stuff about BBQ sauce or the one about Bruce > Wayne masquerading as an IT guy with an anonymous gmail account.**** > > If this was common knowledge, I'm surprised it wasn't mentioned a week or > two ago when the slow msg delivery was such an issue.**** > > That having been said... I maintain it's rather funky licensing model. > License via CPU core, membership size, total # of lists, etc..., that seems > to be more a more reasonable method that most vendors that sell mail > servers, databases, etc... follow.**** > > That would be like MS licensing Exchange not on total number of mailboxes, > or store size, but the number of messages your server could send in any > given hour.**** > > -sc > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[email protected]]**** > > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 12:54 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues**** > > Subject: RE: Good SBS list > > Sunbelt/GFI posted some time ago about the Lyris situation (please try to > keep up). It's due to a licensing change in the newer version of Lyris, > and they didn't want to pay the higher price to unthrottle message delivery. > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:[email protected]]**** > > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 12:04 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues**** > > Subject: RE: Good SBS list > > > Again, the issue is rate limiting (messages per time) in the Lyris > software. Adding more computrons won't make it go faster. > > That's what I find odd. You described it as " an artificial limit". And I > assume that if The Powers that Be are suggesting that's the cause it's not > a configurable parameter. > > Not a very "commercial grade" feature if it can't be changed and it's > ham-stringing your 16-core 32GB server sitting behind a 100Mb > metro-ethernet link...[1] > > > **** > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to [email protected] > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin**** > > ** ** > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to [email protected] > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin**** > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to [email protected] > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to [email protected] with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
