Nothing to complain to them about, if the assertion that their licensing model hasn't changed, perhaps they adjusted some licensing leveling to squeeze more revenue, but Ben Scott has a point, there are plenty of very good alternatives to Lyris.
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Cameron <[email protected]> wrote: > The discussion about list speed never dies... If anyone is that interested > go to www.lyris.com or call *888-465-9747 and complain to them about it.* > > On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Jonathan Link > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> The point is context and who has said what. >> >> The list sponsors have indicated that a change in licensing is >> responsible for the throttling of messages to this list. >> >> So if the licensing model has been consistent since the '90s then one can >> only presume that the licensing level in use on this list has changed. >> >> The entire context of this discussion has been based on poor list >> performance, GFI indicating it was due to Lyris licensing. I have no idea >> how Lyris is licensed. But if what you say is true, that the model has >> been consistent, then the actual licensing level is what has changed. >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 10:41 PM, Ken Schaefer <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> I’m sorry, but I’m missing your point here.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> From my side, I’m stating that Lyris licensing hasn’t changed >>> significantly for nearly 20 years, and so arguing over whether it’s a good >>> way of licensing is probably pointless. Those that use Lyris have known and >>> accepted the licensing model.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:[email protected]] >>> *Sent:* Monday, 26 March 2012 10:32 AM >>> >>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues >>> *Subject:* Re: Good SBS list**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> The list performance hasn't been an issue, before.**** >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Ken Schaefer <[email protected]> >>> wrote:**** >>> >>> Lyris has been licenced like this since (at least) the 1990s. >>> >>> Can we move on please?**** >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:[email protected]]**** >>> >>> Sent: Sunday, 25 March 2012 9:34 PM >>> To: NT System Admin Issues**** >>> >>> Subject: RE: Good SBS list >>> >>> I admittedly deaned a whole slew of messages from here... fortunately I >>> didn't miss the real important stuff about BBQ sauce or the one about Bruce >>> Wayne masquerading as an IT guy with an anonymous gmail account.**** >>> >>> If this was common knowledge, I'm surprised it wasn't mentioned a week >>> or two ago when the slow msg delivery was such an issue.**** >>> >>> That having been said... I maintain it's rather funky licensing model. >>> License via CPU core, membership size, total # of lists, etc..., that seems >>> to be more a more reasonable method that most vendors that sell mail >>> servers, databases, etc... follow.**** >>> >>> That would be like MS licensing Exchange not on total number of >>> mailboxes, or store size, but the number of messages your server could send >>> in any given hour.**** >>> >>> -sc >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[email protected]]**** >>> >>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 12:54 AM >>> To: NT System Admin Issues**** >>> >>> Subject: RE: Good SBS list >>> >>> >>> Sunbelt/GFI posted some time ago about the Lyris situation (please try >>> to keep up). It's due to a licensing change in the newer version of Lyris, >>> and they didn't want to pay the higher price to unthrottle message delivery. >>> >>> Carl >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:[email protected]]**** >>> >>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 12:04 AM >>> To: NT System Admin Issues**** >>> >>> Subject: RE: Good SBS list >>> >>> >>> > Again, the issue is rate limiting (messages per time) in the Lyris >>> software. Adding more computrons won't make it go faster. >>> >>> That's what I find odd. You described it as " an artificial limit". And >>> I assume that if The Powers that Be are suggesting that's the cause it's >>> not a configurable parameter. >>> >>> Not a very "commercial grade" feature if it can't be changed and it's >>> ham-stringing your 16-core 32GB server sitting behind a 100Mb >>> metro-ethernet link...[1] >>> >>> >>> **** >>> >>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>> >>> --- >>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>> or send an email to [email protected] >>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>> >>> --- >>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>> or send an email to [email protected] >>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin**** >>> >>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>> >>> --- >>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>> or send an email to [email protected] >>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>> >> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> --- >> To manage subscriptions click here: >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> or send an email to [email protected] >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to [email protected] > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to [email protected] with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
