The discussion about list speed never dies... If anyone is that interested go to www.lyris.com or call *888-465-9747 and complain to them about it.*
On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Jonathan Link <[email protected]>wrote: > The point is context and who has said what. > > The list sponsors have indicated that a change in licensing is responsible > for the throttling of messages to this list. > > So if the licensing model has been consistent since the '90s then one can > only presume that the licensing level in use on this list has changed. > > The entire context of this discussion has been based on poor list > performance, GFI indicating it was due to Lyris licensing. I have no idea > how Lyris is licensed. But if what you say is true, that the model has > been consistent, then the actual licensing level is what has changed. > > > On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 10:41 PM, Ken Schaefer <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I’m sorry, but I’m missing your point here.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> From my side, I’m stating that Lyris licensing hasn’t changed >> significantly for nearly 20 years, and so arguing over whether it’s a good >> way of licensing is probably pointless. Those that use Lyris have known and >> accepted the licensing model.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:[email protected]] >> *Sent:* Monday, 26 March 2012 10:32 AM >> >> *To:* NT System Admin Issues >> *Subject:* Re: Good SBS list**** >> >> ** ** >> >> The list performance hasn't been an issue, before.**** >> >> On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Ken Schaefer <[email protected]> >> wrote:**** >> >> Lyris has been licenced like this since (at least) the 1990s. >> >> Can we move on please?**** >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:[email protected]]**** >> >> Sent: Sunday, 25 March 2012 9:34 PM >> To: NT System Admin Issues**** >> >> Subject: RE: Good SBS list >> >> I admittedly deaned a whole slew of messages from here... fortunately I >> didn't miss the real important stuff about BBQ sauce or the one about Bruce >> Wayne masquerading as an IT guy with an anonymous gmail account.**** >> >> If this was common knowledge, I'm surprised it wasn't mentioned a week >> or two ago when the slow msg delivery was such an issue.**** >> >> That having been said... I maintain it's rather funky licensing model. >> License via CPU core, membership size, total # of lists, etc..., that seems >> to be more a more reasonable method that most vendors that sell mail >> servers, databases, etc... follow.**** >> >> That would be like MS licensing Exchange not on total number of >> mailboxes, or store size, but the number of messages your server could send >> in any given hour.**** >> >> -sc >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[email protected]]**** >> >> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 12:54 AM >> To: NT System Admin Issues**** >> >> Subject: RE: Good SBS list >> >> Sunbelt/GFI posted some time ago about the Lyris situation (please try to >> keep up). It's due to a licensing change in the newer version of Lyris, >> and they didn't want to pay the higher price to unthrottle message delivery. >> >> Carl >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:[email protected]]**** >> >> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 12:04 AM >> To: NT System Admin Issues**** >> >> Subject: RE: Good SBS list >> >> > Again, the issue is rate limiting (messages per time) in the Lyris >> software. Adding more computrons won't make it go faster. >> >> That's what I find odd. You described it as " an artificial limit". And I >> assume that if The Powers that Be are suggesting that's the cause it's not >> a configurable parameter. >> >> Not a very "commercial grade" feature if it can't be changed and it's >> ham-stringing your 16-core 32GB server sitting behind a 100Mb >> metro-ethernet link...[1] >> >> >> **** >> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> --- >> To manage subscriptions click here: >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> or send an email to [email protected] >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> --- >> To manage subscriptions click here: >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> or send an email to [email protected] >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin**** >> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> --- >> To manage subscriptions click here: >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> or send an email to [email protected] >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to [email protected] > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to [email protected] with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
