Got it, Art. I looked up the licensing afterwards and saw what you were saying, which, btw, makes it much more affordable.
* * *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Art DeKneef <[email protected]> wrote: > Andrew,**** > > ** ** > > I think we are talking two different things here.**** > > ** ** > > True, Windows Server Datacenter 2008 R2, which I think you are talking > about, is licensed per processor, minimum of two processors.**** > > ** ** > > I was making reference to the Server Management Licenses for System Center > 2012 that Richard was asking about. The System Center 2012 Datacenter ML > covers up to two physical processors.**** > > ** ** > > Based on Brian’s example of 3 dual socket hosts he showed 6 Datacenter MLs > being needed. Talking about System Center 2012 management Licenses here not > the operating system. The correct answer is 3 Datacenter MLs are needed. > One for each dual socket host.**** > > ** ** > > Art DeKneef**** > > Avanti Computers**** > > Mesa, AZ**** > > 480-649-4430 Office**** > > 480-529-4430 Mobile**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Monday, August 27, 2012 8:47 AM > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: Windows InTune**** > > ** ** > > Nope... DataCenter is generally licenses per socket. So, if you have a > machine with 2 sockets in use, that means 2 DataCenter licenses. > **** > > *ASB***** > > *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker***** > > *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…***** > > > > **** > > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Art DeKneef <[email protected]> wrote:* > *** > > Brian,**** > > **** > > Don’t you mean you need 3 Datacenter MLs? One for each of the dual socket > hosts.**** > > **** > > Art DeKneef**** > > Avanti Computers**** > > Mesa, AZ**** > > 480-649-4430 Office**** > > 480-529-4430 Mobile**** > > **** > > *From:* Brian Desmond [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Friday, August 24, 2012 7:50 AM**** > > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: Windows InTune**** > > **** > > *It’s actually reasonably straight forward. All of the System Center > licensing is now rolled together into one big “management license [ML]”. > You either license it for servers or clients.***** > > * ***** > > *In the case of servers, for virtualization, you would likely want the > Datacenter ML on a processor basis based on how many physical VM host CPUs > you have. Each Datacenter ML gets you two physical CPUs. So if you have 3 > dual socket hosts, you need 6 Datacenter MLs.***** > > * ***** > > *See ** > http://download.microsoft.com/download/8/7/0/870B5D9B-ACF1-4192-BD0A-543AF551B7AE/System%20Center%202012%20Licensing%20FAQ.pdf > *<http://download.microsoft.com/download/8/7/0/870B5D9B-ACF1-4192-BD0A-543AF551B7AE/System%20Center%202012%20Licensing%20FAQ.pdf> > **** > > * ***** > > *You’ll want to stand up an SCVMM server to manage HyperV and/or ESX. I > found the install and figuring it out to be pretty painless. It includes > its own SQL license of sort so you don’t have to pay extra for that. ***** > > * ***** > > *Thanks,***** > > *Brian Desmond***** > > *[email protected]***** > > * ***** > > *w – 312.625.1438 | c – 312.731.3132***** > > * ***** > > *From:* Richard Stovall [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:42 PM**** > > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues**** > > *Subject:* Re: Windows InTune**** > > **** > > Which, apropos of nothing, reminds me of a recent conversation with the > boss.**** > > **** > > We were talking about our virtualization infrastructure since our VMware > licenses are up for renewal at the end of this month. He asked me if we > should go with MS and the newest version of Hyper-V on Server 2012 instead > of VMware.**** > > **** > > Long story short, I can't get a conversion done in a week, and Server 2012 > isn't going to be generally available until September 4th anyway, so it's a > non-starter for the moment. Next year, however...**** > > **** > > The question I have is how in the heck do I compare the direct costs of > licensing ESX(i) and Hyper-V 2012. Obviously I know my annual VMware > costs, and I think the Hyper-V bits are actually 'free'[1] in that they are > baked into the OS, but it's the System Center licensing that I really don't > understand. SCVMM? SCThis? SCThat? SCEssentials?**** > > **** > > SCWTF_Do_I really_need?**** > > **** > > If there is a concise guide out there about licensing this stuff for a > pure Hyper-V-only environment, I would definitely appreciate a pointer.*** > * > > **** > > Thanks, as always,**** > > **** > > RS**** > > **** > > [1] I've got current VL versions of Server 2012 Datacenter that I > could/will use if moving away from VMware.**** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 10:50 PM, Michael B. Smith <[email protected]> > wrote:**** > > Maintaining full capabilities without internet connectivity.**** > > **** > > Full capabilities without additional Internet-based licensing.**** > > **** > > *From:* Rod Trent [mailto:[email protected]] **** > > *Sent:* Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:11 PM**** > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: Windows InTune**** > > **** > > Yeah…I have my reasons for some level of concern, but what’s yours?**** > > **** > > *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:[email protected]<[email protected]>] > > *Sent:* Thursday, August 23, 2012 5:54 PM**** > > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: Windows InTune**** > > **** > > Which scares the crap outta me.**** > > **** > > *From:* Rod Trent [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Thursday, August 23, 2012 5:30 PM > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: Windows InTune**** > > **** > > What exactly do you want to know?**** > > **** > > InTune has come a long way in a short time and does a great job. And, > Microsoft is investing heavily in the future of InTune, and will eventually > marry ConfigMgr and InTune.**** > > **** > > *From:* Roger Wright [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] > *Sent:* Thursday, August 23, 2012 4:48 PM > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Windows InTune**** > > **** > > We're seeing a greater need for something like Windows InTune for about > 10-15 machines that rarely touch our network. Currently, we have no way to > manage these machines and assure they're receiving Microsoft, Adobe, Java, > or other updates. VIPRE does report home, however, so at least that aspect > is covered. **** > > **** > > Any comments regarding InTune usage results or evaluations would be > helpful. TIA... > > > Roger Wright > ___**** > > Geocaching: Hide, Hunt, Find & Repeat - It's FUN!**** > > **** > > > ** > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to [email protected] with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
