That was actually what I meant to be my principal point... - even if I didn't make it particularly clearly...
*all* (electronic) computers die. No exception. There will come a point when there are no other compatible donor systems left to cannibalise for spare parts. What happens to the business when one morning someone turns the PC on and it goes fizz... bang... pop... - even if you think you're mitigating this scenario by running it 24/7 & never powering it on/off (on the basis that most failures occur during this operation) it will still eventually just expire anyway... - electrolytic capacitors, which I recall were fairly common on motherboards of a certain vintage, will eventually bulge, leak, pop or whatever... leading to at best instability, at worst a dead mobo... - and we all know how "tolerant" Win95/98 family OS's were to changing the motherboard under a functioning system... - I think every one I ever tried resulted in almost immediate BSOD during the subsequent boot-up. (In most cases I think I ended up having to do a clean reinstall). You will also reach a point where any replacement hardware you are able to utilise will be "too new" for Win95/98 to run on... - good luck trying to get win95 chipset drivers for a Z68!! I once went into a small family-run company which ran every aspect of their business on a single, ancient PC which lived on the floor under the secretary's desk, it was *SO* full of fluff & dirt that the fans barely turned, all the company data and systems for ordering, stock control, accounting and invoicing were on this machine on a single IDE HDD. If that PC died, then so did the business - at least for a while anyway. I literally frogmarched the owner and his credit card down to the local PC-World store and made him purchase not just one, but 2 replacement machines and some basic networking kit... and hang the cost, because whatever it was, it was a lot less than going out of business... Different scenario I know, but the principle holds for most, if not any example I should think... Anyway, as you say, you do what you can... you make sure the management know your concerns - "CYA" - then it's up to them if they want to risk putting the company in a position where it cannot function... :-) P. -----Original Message----- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 28 February 2013 02:59 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: Remote control software So, it *was* possible - they just didn't want to pay the price. Let's hope they mitigated the risk somehow - perhaps by making sure it wasn't connected to a network and by making sure they had replacement hardware on the shelf. Kurt On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Jon Harris <[email protected]> wrote: > I hate to tell you this but sometimes it just is not possible to do > upgrades whether is it due to no budget or there is just no software > to run the attached hardware to run on newer systems. I faced this at former > $dayjob$. > Attached hardware was antique X-ray diffractmeter. Last software > upgrade was to Windows 98, and I really mean Windows 98 not 98 SE, but > the company had managed to get it to function with XP. $dayjob$ was > told to either replace hardware, $150k+ just for the hardware and > maybe $300k for the software, or pay them to custom write an upgrade > or patch to get it to run under Vista, and they would not even > estimate that price. Needless to say no upgrades were done. > > Jon > >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: [Bulk] RE: Remote control software >> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 08:49:36 -0500 >> >> Some of us are constrained by budget. I still have W2K systems out >> there, but none of them have internet access or email. Some can't be >> upgraded because the software packages won't run on anything newer >> and the vendor does not offer it. I have no budget for new hardware. Zero. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Paul Gordon [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 8:42 AM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: [Bulk] RE: Remote control software >> >> Sorry... I really can't help it... I have to... >> >> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! >> >> Laugh out loud... - you're running *PRODUCTION* systems on an 18 year >> old OS, that has been out of support for over a decade, and is about >> as secure as a whore's drawers...??? >> >> Are these systems running on similarly ancient hardware, or have you >> at least managed to virtualise them so they can be run on kit that >> isn't likely to expire at any moment? >> >> Sorry if I sound unsympathetic... but I do quite occasionally come >> across a similar blinkered attitude in $dayjob, and I really do take >> a pretty dim view of it... >> >> No offence intended.... >> >> Paul G. > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Nigel Parker [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: 27 February 2013 11:47 >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: RE: Remote control software >> >> Hi tried vnc lite it didn't seem to work well on windows 7 I >> connected once then just had a a black screen, we tried various >> workarounds but none seemed to work! >> Will look at logmein >> And the group policy settings >> >> Upgrading 95 and nt4 isn't an option due to the expense >> >> >> Nigel Parker >> Systems Engineer >> Ultraframe (UK) Ltd >> Tel: 01200 452329 >> Fax: 01200 452201 >> Web: www.ultraframe.com >> Email: mailto:[email protected] >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Orland, Kathleen [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: 27 February 2013 11:30 >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: RE: Remote control software >> >> What about VNC Lite or LogMeIn? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:06 AM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: Remote control software >> >> Turn it on using Group Policy. I can tell you the objects you need if >> you want. >> >> If you still have Win 95 and NT4, well, issues like this should be a >> lever to getting them upgraded. >> >> >> Sent from my Blackberry, which may be an antique but delivers email >> RELIABLY >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "Nigel Parker" <[email protected]> >> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 10:48:39 >> To: NT System Admin Issues<[email protected]> >> Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" >> <[email protected]>Subject: RE: Remote control >> software >> >> Hi >> I looked at using this >> But if it's not configured on the machine, I didn't find a way of >> turning it on remotely, also as we have always used VNC and we have a >> veriety of machines from win 95 /Nt4 /windows /2000 /xp /windows7 >> >> I wanted one program that I could use to control them all The windows >> 95 machine will not be upgraded nor will the Nt4 as the run >> manufacturing systems, >> >> Thanks >> >> Nigel Parker >> Systems Engineer >> Ultraframe (UK) Ltd >> Tel: 01200 452329 >> Fax: 01200 452201 >> Web: www.ultraframe.com >> Email: mailto:[email protected] >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: 27 February 2013 10:38 >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: Remote control software >> >> What's wrong with RDP? >> >> ------Original Message------ >> From: Nigel Parker >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: Remote control software >> Sent: 27 Feb 2013 10:21 >> >> Hi >> We are finally moving to windows 7 however one problem we have is >> that on windows xp we used VNC we even created a batch file that >> would roll the software out to desktops. >> >> We could use remote assistance however! >> We arrange a time to connect but then find the user has gone to a >> meeting or is on lunch if this is the case we can then connect and do >> what we have to while they are out. >> >> In our IT policy it does say we can control you machine at any time >> for updates. >> >> question is then does anyone use VNC or similar on windows 7, all I >> get when connecting is a black screen Recommendations are very >> welcome >> >> Nigel Parker >> Systems Engineer >> Ultraframe (UK) Ltd >> Tel: 01200 452329 >> Fax: 01200 452201 >> Web: www.ultraframe.com >> Email: mailto:[email protected] >> >> >> >> >> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. >> >> The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and >> may not represent those of Ultraframe (UK) Ltd. >> This email is subject to copyright and the information contained in >> it is confidential and may be legally privileged. 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