At some point you have to spend something to get something. Your provider 
(AT&T, Verizon et al) would probably give you a basic BES License and Cals (20 
IIRC) for committing to contracts with data. Our BES runs in a VM (but started 
as a glorified workstation) so you can get it set up for next to nothing and I 
can tell you I spend less than 1% of my time managing it. YMMV
PS - Blackberries are "nearly" idiot proof.

John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
315 SE 2nd Ave
Gainesville, Fl 32601
Office (352) 393-2741 x320
Cell     (352) 215-6944
Fax     (352) 393-2746
MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+

From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 2:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cell phone questions

But there is a cost to the BES server, and I work for the state of California.  
They're trying to fix a $42 Billion deficit... I'm being furloughed 2 days a 
month at the moment, which  equates to about a 10% pay cut.

Joe Heaton
Employment Training Panel

From: Stefan Jafs [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 11:00 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cell phone questions

Again not to hijack the tread but we have about 40 BB's, and I barely remember 
that I have a BES server!
BlackBerry is constantly coming out with new handsets, last week we got an 
upgrade for one user to the new 8900 Curve, very very nice with a 3.2Mp 
camera., lots of memory and very nice form factor.
I use the Bold again very nice little bit older and larger but fantastic 
display.

Again as other have pointed out the BES server is very easy to maintain, there 
is a very short learning curve!

___________________________________
Stefan Jafs

From: N Parr [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:38 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cell phone questions

I've always been a fan of the Samsungs starting with the 700, 730, and 760.  I 
just got my touch pro a month ago and wouldn't go back.  Personally I like a 
keyboard.  What I do miss from my 760 is the direct dial pad for making calls 
but that just forces me to keep my contacts more up to date.  I've used all the 
XV series and couldn't stand any of them.  I also admin 50 BB's and I think the 
management overhead is less in some ways than compared to Windows mobile.  BB's 
just work, they are set and forget and easy to use by non-techies.

________________________________
From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 11:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Cell phone questions
Anyone using the XV6900?  If so, how do you like the keyboard options?  We're 
looking for replacement phones, and I need some experienced advice.  We are 
under contract with Verizon, so our choices are limited to what they offer.  
We've been using the Treo700wx, but we've been told that it is now obsolete and 
not offered.  The following are our choices:

XV6900
Samsung i760
HTC Touch Pro
XV6800 - I'm leaning towards this one, but I fear it will be unavailable soon...
Palm Centro - I'm not looking at this very seriously, as it doesn't come with 
WM6, or Mobile Office apps
Motorola Q9c - I've heard bad reviews of this one, don't know if they've fixed 
the issues or not.
Samsung Saga i770
Samsung Omnia


We could also go Blackberry, but we don't really want to, as that would add 
additional management overhead for us, with needing to get BES, etc.

Any personal experiences/recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Joe Heaton
AISA
Employment Training Panel
1100 J Street, 4th Floor
Sacramento, CA  95814
(916) 327-5276
[email protected]












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