Solution - Dont' buy a Ford, and you won't need a maintenance package. ;-)
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Matthew W. Ross <[email protected]>wrote: > I hate email, because I can't read the inflection of your message. I'm > going to assume that you were not insinuating that I am unwise. > > Other than that, I agree that buying quality is important and that you do > get what you pay for. My argument is that sometimes a vendor will ask you to > pay much more than you can get retail for, basically, the same drive. > > An analogy: If I buy a Ford (Harley Davidson Edition) from the Ford dealer, > and it's $40k, but it includes 5 years maintenance... If I can purchase the > same Ford (But not the Harley Davidson Edition) from a different dealer, for > $25k, without the maintenance package... I'd probably buy the cheaper truck. > > > --Matt Ross > Ephrata School District > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steven Peck > [mailto:[email protected]] > To: NT System Admin Issues > [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 > 12:22:42 -0800 > Subject: Re: HP drive sleds > > > > I didn't say you had to implement your environments wisely. Merely > > why there was a cost to buying quality products with support. > > > > m'kay? > > > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Matthew W. Ross > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Okay, is there an option to buy an HP drive without the service to keep > me > > up? What if I'm okay if the drive fails, and can live with UPS speeds for > a > > replacement? > > > > > > Backups are good, m'kay? > > > > > > I see no option from HP for this. I wish they would. > > > > > > > > > --Matt Ross > > > Ephrata School District > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Steven Peck > > > [mailto:[email protected]] > > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > > [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 > > > 11:10:07 -0800 > > > Subject: Re: HP drive sleds > > > > > > > > >> You pay for the testing yes, but you also pay for the ability to call > > >> HP and have them overnight you a drive when yours showed up on the > > >> pre-failure warning shows up in SIM. > > >> > > >> You are not paying for a drive so much. You are also paying for the > > >> service to keep you up, or get you back up quickly. > > >> > > >> Steven > > >> > > >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Matthew W. Ross > > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > I'm with you, and I agree that the cost of "Server Grade" hard > drives > > from > > >> the likes of HP, Dell, and others is outrageous. > > >> > > > >> > Now, HP does test their drives, and even a single fault of fairly > > >> insignificant measure (i.e. one the drive itself can correct) will not > > pass > > >> their tests before they deliver a drive to you. That way they can feel > > >> confident that the drive is "server quality". That's great and all, > but > > it > > >> still shouldn't be 5-10 times the cost of the same hard drive, shrink > > >> wrapped from Western Digital. > > >> > > > >> > That being said, I'd be happy to pay double the cost if it was well > > tested > > >> and guaranteed by HP. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > --Matt Ross > > >> > Ephrata School District > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > From: Phillip Partipilo > > >> > [mailto:[email protected]] > > >> > To: NT System Admin Issues > > >> > [mailto:[email protected]] > > >> > Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 > > >> > 10:50:53 -0800 > > >> > Subject: HP drive sleds > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >> Whoa this is insane. On the phone, err, handed off the call to > > somebody > > >> >> else here to further speak with a supervisor, we just took delivery > of > > a > > >> HP > > >> >> DL185, and there are just placeholders for the hard disks in the > cage. > > >> No > > >> >> empty cages provided. They claim there is no way to get an empty > > cage > > >> >> without a drive. WTF. They want $100 for a 160 gig drive when I > > can > > >> get > > >> >> 2tb Hitachis for $140. This is bull. We're ready to box this up > > and > > >> ship > > >> >> it right back. Every Supermicro we've bought have come loaded with > > >> empty > > >> >> sleds, and every one of those servers are still running. I know HP > > is a > > >> >> solid server and that's why we made this purchase, but this is > > grinding > > >> my > > >> >> gears. > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> Phillip Partipilo > > >> >> Parametric Solutions Inc. > > >> >> Jupiter, Florida > > >> >> (561) 747-6107 > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> THIS ELECTRONIC MESSAGE AND ANY ATTACHMENTS ARE CONFIDENTIAL > > >> >> AND PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE SENDER. THE INFORMATION IS > > >> >> INTENDED FOR USE BY THE ADDRESSEE ONLY. 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