I'd buy the cheaper Ford to because I can fix it myself! ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Ens To: NT System Admin Issues Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:55 PM Subject: Re: HP drive sleds
Solution - Dont' buy a Ford, and you won't need a maintenance package. ;-) On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Matthew W. Ross <[email protected]> wrote: I hate email, because I can't read the inflection of your message. I'm going to assume that you were not insinuating that I am unwise. Other than that, I agree that buying quality is important and that you do get what you pay for. My argument is that sometimes a vendor will ask you to pay much more than you can get retail for, basically, the same drive. An analogy: If I buy a Ford (Harley Davidson Edition) from the Ford dealer, and it's $40k, but it includes 5 years maintenance... If I can purchase the same Ford (But not the Harley Davidson Edition) from a different dealer, for $25k, without the maintenance package... I'd probably buy the cheaper truck. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Peck [mailto:[email protected]] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:22:42 -0800 Subject: Re: HP drive sleds > I didn't say you had to implement your environments wisely. Merely > why there was a cost to buying quality products with support. > > m'kay? > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Matthew W. Ross > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Okay, is there an option to buy an HP drive without the service to keep me > up? What if I'm okay if the drive fails, and can live with UPS speeds for a > replacement? > > > > Backups are good, m'kay? > > > > I see no option from HP for this. I wish they would. > > > > > > --Matt Ross > > Ephrata School District > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Steven Peck > > [mailto:[email protected]] > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 > > 11:10:07 -0800 > > Subject: Re: HP drive sleds > > > > > >> You pay for the testing yes, but you also pay for the ability to call > >> HP and have them overnight you a drive when yours showed up on the > >> pre-failure warning shows up in SIM. > >> > >> You are not paying for a drive so much. You are also paying for the > >> service to keep you up, or get you back up quickly. > >> > >> Steven > >> > >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Matthew W. Ross > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > I'm with you, and I agree that the cost of "Server Grade" hard drives > from > >> the likes of HP, Dell, and others is outrageous. > >> > > >> > Now, HP does test their drives, and even a single fault of fairly > >> insignificant measure (i.e. one the drive itself can correct) will not > pass > >> their tests before they deliver a drive to you. That way they can feel > >> confident that the drive is "server quality". That's great and all, but > it > >> still shouldn't be 5-10 times the cost of the same hard drive, shrink > >> wrapped from Western Digital. > >> > > >> > That being said, I'd be happy to pay double the cost if it was well > tested > >> and guaranteed by HP. > >> > > >> > > >> > --Matt Ross > >> > Ephrata School District > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: Phillip Partipilo > >> > [mailto:[email protected]] > >> > To: NT System Admin Issues > >> > [mailto:[email protected]] > >> > Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 > >> > 10:50:53 -0800 > >> > Subject: HP drive sleds > >> > > >> > > >> >> Whoa this is insane. On the phone, err, handed off the call to > somebody > >> >> else here to further speak with a supervisor, we just took delivery of > a > >> HP > >> >> DL185, and there are just placeholders for the hard disks in the cage. > >> No > >> >> empty cages provided. They claim there is no way to get an empty > cage > >> >> without a drive. WTF. They want $100 for a 160 gig drive when I > can > >> get > >> >> 2tb Hitachis for $140. This is bull. We're ready to box this up > and > >> ship > >> >> it right back. Every Supermicro we've bought have come loaded with > >> empty > >> >> sleds, and every one of those servers are still running. I know HP > is a > >> >> solid server and that's why we made this purchase, but this is > grinding > >> my > >> >> gears. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Phillip Partipilo > >> >> Parametric Solutions Inc. > >> >> Jupiter, Florida > >> >> (561) 747-6107 > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> THIS ELECTRONIC MESSAGE AND ANY ATTACHMENTS ARE CONFIDENTIAL > >> >> AND PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE SENDER. THE INFORMATION IS > >> >> INTENDED FOR USE BY THE ADDRESSEE ONLY. 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