Correction to my post: "giving us control" >>> "giving up control"
I agree. I would have had a lawyer all over that. On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 12:11, Jon Harris <[email protected]> wrote: > I still think it was strange that either a doctors office or hospital out > sourced their transcription of medical records only to then have those same > records appear on the Public Internet. If I had been a patient with my > records exposed I sure would have owned a major portion of the medical > facility their IT teams personal money and any management involved in the > out sourcing. I know they need to out source the work but there was little > to no consequences to the parties involved here in the states. > > Jon > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Kurt Buff <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Yes, a private cloud means a corporate network - but the >> infrastructure is of the same kind as a public cloud - abstracting the >> service from the underlying hardware to make it more available/robust >> and cheaper to operate. >> >> A public cloud, as I've seen the term widely used, seems to mean more >> than simply "online". It means shared infrastructure, as in Amazon's >> S3 or other environments where you're sharing networking and compute >> resources with other entities in a hosted environment. In this kind of >> case, your service is running in the same hardware environment as >> other orgs - same network, same set of physical hosts, etc. >> >> I'm not yet convinced that such an environment *can* be secured to any >> reasonable degree. >> >> Thus, the fact that my bank is putting their infrastructure in a >> private cloud doesn't bother me - but if they're putting it in a >> public environment, where they've given up control over who else runs >> in that environment and the conditions under which it's maintained, >> then I'm withdrawing my money and closing my account as soon as I find >> that out. If I have to, I'll go to cash - it's about trust, and I >> don't trust giving us control over my money to some marketing hype. >> >> Kurt >> >> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:22, Rod Trent <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Online banking *is* a cloud service. You don't control it. It's not >> > sitting on a server in your data center. You are utilizing a service >> > provided by a vendor, most likely their infrastructure is hosted in a >> > management facility somewhere. The data is transferred between several >> > data >> > centers most likely so that each branch has your up-to-date information. >> > So, there's multiple levels of service providers in the mix. >> > >> > See...that's where the disconnect is. The word "cloud" just surfaced >> > because industry folks wanted a cool name for it. "Cloud" is a marketing >> > term - nothing more. Now they've labeled "private cloud" and "public >> > cloud". I think it's funny. A private cloud is nothing more than the >> > corporate network. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[email protected]] >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 1:10 PM >> > To: NT System Admin Issues >> > Subject: Re: Cloud Computing (Was: DNS Server service shuts down shortly >> > after the DC boots) >> > >> > I only use gmail for my personal email, and even then I don't trust >> > highly sensitive information to it. I would not use it for business or >> > other sensitive email, unless I had end-to-end encryption. >> > >> > Online banking had better *not* be a cloud service. It had better be a >> > set of server over which my bank maintains very tight control - if I >> > learn otherwise, my money goes elsewhere. >> > >> > Kurt >> > >> > On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 05:09, Rod Trent <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> The Cloud is another one of those things that scares IT because it >> >> means >> >> relinquishing a bit of control – or at least seems to. The “Cloud” has >> >> been >> >> around for a long while, just without the actual name of “Cloud”. For >> >> example, Gmail is a cloud service – so is online banking. There are >> >> 100’s >> >> of things you use every day online and it’s all in the “Cloud”. We’re >> >> comfortable with a few of these, but not the others? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> There are a lot of things that the IT business deals with now that >> >> would >> >> make a perfect fit as a cloud service, that would a) save the company >> >> money, >> >> b) make the end-user experience better, and c) make the IT experience >> >> better. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: James Rankin [mailto:[email protected]] >> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 7:51 AM >> >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> >> Subject: Re: Cloud Computing (Was: DNS Server service shuts down >> >> shortly >> >> after the DC boots) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "To cloud" or "not to cloud" may become another of the great >> >> back-and-forths >> >> of the IT industry. We already have it between insourcing --> >> >> outsourcing >> >> and thin-client --> fat-client. There's never any one-size-fits-all >> >> solution. Often it is a back-and-forth between the two sides of the >> >> coin as >> >> the needs, strategies and personnel of the business dictates. >> >> >> >> On 10 March 2010 12:46, Carl Houseman <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Cloud computing is just the next version of "outsourcing". So how did >> >> outsourcing work out? Lately I'm hearing of companies insourcing jobs >> >> that >> >> didn't do so well when outsourced. Learning experience achieved, >> >> albeit at >> >> great expense. But will this new-found knowledge stick, and will it be >> >> applied to similar situations in the future? >> >> >> >> As I said, over-enthusiastic execs at some companies will see the cloud >> >> as a >> >> panacea for their problems and jump in before realizing it's not right >> >> for >> >> them. I don't know that predicting that future here will help to make >> >> some >> >> think twice, but I feel better for having said it. :) >> >> >> >> Carl >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[email protected]] >> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 7:37 AM >> >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> >> >> >> Subject: Cloud Computing (Was: DNS Server service shuts down shortly >> >> after >> >> the DC boots) >> >> >> >> For all its flaws, I don't see cloud computing as a passing fad. It's >> >> not >> >> likely to go away, so the best we can do is to work to improve it. >> >> >> >> I can tell you that my own organization is a big fan of it. Why? Well, >> >> we're >> >> a school district. Our core competency isn't the maintenance of complex >> >> IT >> >> system. We don't have the staff with the knowledge to maintain such >> >> systems, >> >> and we don't have the money to hire that staff. Our staffing levels >> >> have >> >> actually shrunk due to budget cuts, while the number of various systems >> >> and >> >> applications we're using is continuing to grow. Every new app means >> >> more >> >> storage space, more backup job complexity, more hardware utilization, >> >> more >> >> support requirements, more time troubleshooting, more time >> >> upgrading--the >> >> list goes on and on. >> >> >> >> So what can we do? Outsource the maintenance of as many systems as >> >> possible >> >> to companies who specialize in that type of work (so they can almost >> >> always >> >> do it better than us) and who gain economies of scale (so they can >> >> almost >> >> always do it cheaper than us). Put the app in the cloud, and let >> >> someone >> >> else worry about things like backups, upgrades, and support. And having >> >> it >> >> web-based has the added benefit of there being no client-side software >> >> for >> >> us to have to worry about. >> >> >> >> Reliability hasn't been a factor for us with our cloud-based apps. Our >> >> Internet connection is pretty reliable. If it goes down, we have >> >> alternate >> >> means of connecting to our most critical apps. Security? Well, the best >> >> we >> >> can do there is to have a good contract stipulating our requirements >> >> and the >> >> consequences of security breaches. I'm the most advanced tech in our >> >> organization, but I'm not a security expert--I'm a technology >> >> generalist, >> >> not a specialist. That means these companies can handle security AT >> >> LEAST as >> >> well as we can, and often better. >> >> >> >> It's not right for every organization and every application. But for >> >> us, >> >> cloud computing offers significant benefits. We're leaning more and >> >> more on >> >> it all the time. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> John Hornbuckle >> >> MIS Department >> >> Taylor County School District >> >> www.taylor.k12.fl.us >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[email protected]] >> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 11:36 PM >> >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> >> Subject: Re: DNS Server service shuts down shortly after the DC boots >> >> >> >> Oh, yeah. >> >> >> >> Somehow, though, it seems to me as if 'the cloud' violates the CIA >> >> triangle of security. >> >> >> >> At the very least, >> >> >> >> a) availability is compromised (if you don't have Internet >> >> connectivity, among other things), >> >> >> >> b) integrity is compromised (new ways of breaking out of VMs to the >> >> underlying host, and you don't know who you're sharing a physical host >> >> with, not to mention issues with network traffic from the various VMs >> >> on a physical host being sniffed.) >> >> >> >> Color me deeply skeptical. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 17:34, Carl Houseman <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >>> Seems the 'cloud' is the new buzzword for how we're going to increase >> >>> profits next quarter. The cloud will save us! The cloud will reduce >> >>> our >> >>> expensive fixed costs! Has Dilbert done something on the cloud yet? >> >>> If >> >>> >> >>> not, it's just a matter of time. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> From: David Lum [mailto:[email protected]] >> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 5:00 PM >> >>> To: NT System Admin Issues >> >>> Subject: RE: DNS Server service shuts down shortly after the DC boots >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> True, but I’ll use OpenDNS way before using Google or MS DNS servers… >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> The cloud the cloud…everything is cloud around my office with exec’s >> >>> …“SharePoint’s broke and we have no expertise here…move it to the >> >>> cloud! >> >>> Exchange, Live Communications Server, ship –‘em all out!” >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[email protected]] >> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 1:26 PM >> >>> To: NT System Admin Issues >> >>> Subject: RE: DNS Server service shuts down shortly after the DC boots >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Not everyone wants to depend on DNS services 'in the cloud' even if >> >>> they're >> >>> free... >> >> >> >> NOTICE: Florida has a broad public records law. Most written >> >> communications >> >> to or from this entity are public records that will be disclosed to the >> >> public and the media upon request. E-mail communications may be subject >> >> to >> >> public disclosure. >> >> >> >> >> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> >> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> >> >> >> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> >> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> "On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put >> >> into >> >> the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not >> >> able >> >> rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke >> >> such >> >> a question." >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> > >> > >> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> > > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~
