Lawsuits aren't going to kill the idea any more than lawsuits have killed the idea behind outsourcing helpdesk or desktop support or other IT services.
A lawsuit *might* kill a specific organization, but that's a different kettle of fish. -ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Kurt Buff <[email protected]> wrote: > Until the first lawsuit, or major hack. > > The cloud is *way* overrated - unless it's private. > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 05:09, Martin Blackstone <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Cloud is such a dirty word isn’t it? But software as a service isn’t. But > it's almost the same thing right? How many companies have been using > Salesforce or something similar? Welcome to the cloud. Welcome to software > as a service. > > If you look at something like Gmail, they actually have a government > facility that is much more secured than what we get. For example that’s > where the LAPD lives. The city of LA gave up their entire email > infrastructure to Google last year. > > I'm saying get with the cloud before the cloud gets you. Your CFO will > come to you eventually and tell you to get something in there and you better > be ready to deal with it. HOW you deal with it may depend on how you and > your department survives. $50 a year for a mailbox is pretty freaking > attractive to a guy that has to watch every penny and that’s the bottom line > when it comes to the top line. Everyone and I mean everyone says "Our email, > our data, our whatever is too sensitive to put in the cloud", and I would be > 95% of us are wrong, and there are some very secure cloud locations out > there. You just have to find them. > > > > You guys better be ready to get with the program. Our jobs depend on it. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 4:37 AM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: Cloud Computing (Was: DNS Server service shuts down shortly > after the DC boots) > > > > For all its flaws, I don't see cloud computing as a passing fad. It's not > likely to go away, so the best we can do is to work to improve it. > > > > I can tell you that my own organization is a big fan of it. Why? Well, > we're a school district. Our core competency isn't the maintenance of > complex IT system. We don't have the staff with the knowledge to maintain > such systems, and we don't have the money to hire that staff. Our staffing > levels have actually shrunk due to budget cuts, while the number of various > systems and applications we're using is continuing to grow. Every new app > means more storage space, more backup job complexity, more hardware > utilization, more support requirements, more time troubleshooting, more time > upgrading--the list goes on and on. > > > > So what can we do? Outsource the maintenance of as many systems as > possible to companies who specialize in that type of work (so they can > almost always do it better than us) and who gain economies of scale (so they > can almost always do it cheaper than us). Put the app in the cloud, and let > someone else worry about things like backups, upgrades, and support. And > having it web-based has the added benefit of there being no client-side > software for us to have to worry about. > > > > Reliability hasn't been a factor for us with our cloud-based apps. Our > Internet connection is pretty reliable. If it goes down, we have alternate > means of connecting to our most critical apps. Security? Well, the best we > can do there is to have a good contract stipulating our requirements and the > consequences of security breaches. I'm the most advanced tech in our > organization, but I'm not a security expert--I'm a technology generalist, > not a specialist. That means these companies can handle security AT LEAST as > well as we can, and often better. > > > > It's not right for every organization and every application. But for us, > cloud computing offers significant benefits. We're leaning more and more on > it all the time. > > > > > > > > John Hornbuckle > > MIS Department > > Taylor County School District > > www.taylor.k12.fl.us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 11:36 PM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: Re: DNS Server service shuts down shortly after the DC boots > > > > Oh, yeah. > > > > Somehow, though, it seems to me as if 'the cloud' violates the CIA > triangle of security. > > > > At the very least, > > > > a) availability is compromised (if you don't have Internet connectivity, > among other things), > > > > b) integrity is compromised (new ways of breaking out of VMs to the > underlying host, and you don't know who you're sharing a physical host with, > not to mention issues with network traffic from the various VMs on a > physical host being sniffed.) > > > > Color me deeply skeptical. > > > > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 17:34, Carl Houseman <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Seems the 'cloud' is the new buzzword for how we're going to increase > >> profits next quarter. The cloud will save us! The cloud will reduce > >> our expensive fixed costs! Has Dilbert done something on the cloud > >> yet? If > >> > >> not, it's just a matter of time. > >> > >> > >> > >> From: David Lum [mailto:[email protected]] > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 5:00 PM > >> To: NT System Admin Issues > >> Subject: RE: DNS Server service shuts down shortly after the DC boots > >> > >> > >> > >> True, but I’ll use OpenDNS way before using Google or MS DNS servers… > >> > >> > >> > >> The cloud the cloud…everything is cloud around my office with exec’s > >> …“SharePoint’s broke and we have no expertise here…move it to the cloud! > >> Exchange, Live Communications Server, ship –‘em all out!” > >> > >> > >> > >> From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[email protected]] > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 1:26 PM > >> To: NT System Admin Issues > >> Subject: RE: DNS Server service shuts down shortly after the DC boots > >> > >> > >> > >> Not everyone wants to depend on DNS services 'in the cloud' even if > >> they're free... > > > > > > > > NOTICE: Florida has a broad public records law. 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