I still think it was strange that either a doctors office or hospital out sourced their transcription of medical records only to then have those same records appear on the Public Internet. If I had been a patient with my records exposed I sure would have owned a major portion of the medical facility their IT teams personal money and any management involved in the out sourcing. I know they need to out source the work but there was little to no consequences to the parties involved here in the states.
Jon On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Kurt Buff <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, a private cloud means a corporate network - but the > infrastructure is of the same kind as a public cloud - abstracting the > service from the underlying hardware to make it more available/robust > and cheaper to operate. > > A public cloud, as I've seen the term widely used, seems to mean more > than simply "online". It means shared infrastructure, as in Amazon's > S3 or other environments where you're sharing networking and compute > resources with other entities in a hosted environment. In this kind of > case, your service is running in the same hardware environment as > other orgs - same network, same set of physical hosts, etc. > > I'm not yet convinced that such an environment *can* be secured to any > reasonable degree. > > Thus, the fact that my bank is putting their infrastructure in a > private cloud doesn't bother me - but if they're putting it in a > public environment, where they've given up control over who else runs > in that environment and the conditions under which it's maintained, > then I'm withdrawing my money and closing my account as soon as I find > that out. If I have to, I'll go to cash - it's about trust, and I > don't trust giving us control over my money to some marketing hype. > > Kurt > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:22, Rod Trent <[email protected]> wrote: > > Online banking *is* a cloud service. You don't control it. It's not > sitting on a server in your data center. You are utilizing a service > provided by a vendor, most likely their infrastructure is hosted in a > management facility somewhere. The data is transferred between several data > centers most likely so that each branch has your up-to-date information. > So, there's multiple levels of service providers in the mix. > > > > See...that's where the disconnect is. The word "cloud" just surfaced > because industry folks wanted a cool name for it. "Cloud" is a marketing > term - nothing more. Now they've labeled "private cloud" and "public > cloud". I think it's funny. A private cloud is nothing more than the > corporate network. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 1:10 PM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: Re: Cloud Computing (Was: DNS Server service shuts down shortly > after the DC boots) > > > > I only use gmail for my personal email, and even then I don't trust > > highly sensitive information to it. I would not use it for business or > > other sensitive email, unless I had end-to-end encryption. > > > > Online banking had better *not* be a cloud service. It had better be a > > set of server over which my bank maintains very tight control - if I > > learn otherwise, my money goes elsewhere. > > > > Kurt > > > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 05:09, Rod Trent <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The Cloud is another one of those things that scares IT because it means > >> relinquishing a bit of control – or at least seems to. The “Cloud” has > been > >> around for a long while, just without the actual name of “Cloud”. For > >> example, Gmail is a cloud service – so is online banking. There are > 100’s > >> of things you use every day online and it’s all in the “Cloud”. We’re > >> comfortable with a few of these, but not the others? > >> > >> > >> > >> There are a lot of things that the IT business deals with now that would > >> make a perfect fit as a cloud service, that would a) save the company > money, > >> b) make the end-user experience better, and c) make the IT experience > >> better. > >> > >> > >> > >> From: James Rankin [mailto:[email protected]] > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 7:51 AM > >> To: NT System Admin Issues > >> Subject: Re: Cloud Computing (Was: DNS Server service shuts down shortly > >> after the DC boots) > >> > >> > >> > >> "To cloud" or "not to cloud" may become another of the great > back-and-forths > >> of the IT industry. We already have it between insourcing --> > outsourcing > >> and thin-client --> fat-client. There's never any one-size-fits-all > >> solution. Often it is a back-and-forth between the two sides of the coin > as > >> the needs, strategies and personnel of the business dictates. > >> > >> On 10 March 2010 12:46, Carl Houseman <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Cloud computing is just the next version of "outsourcing". So how did > >> outsourcing work out? Lately I'm hearing of companies insourcing jobs > that > >> didn't do so well when outsourced. Learning experience achieved, albeit > at > >> great expense. But will this new-found knowledge stick, and will it be > >> applied to similar situations in the future? > >> > >> As I said, over-enthusiastic execs at some companies will see the cloud > as a > >> panacea for their problems and jump in before realizing it's not right > for > >> them. I don't know that predicting that future here will help to make > some > >> think twice, but I feel better for having said it. :) > >> > >> Carl > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[email protected]] > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 7:37 AM > >> To: NT System Admin Issues > >> > >> Subject: Cloud Computing (Was: DNS Server service shuts down shortly > after > >> the DC boots) > >> > >> For all its flaws, I don't see cloud computing as a passing fad. It's > not > >> likely to go away, so the best we can do is to work to improve it. > >> > >> I can tell you that my own organization is a big fan of it. Why? Well, > we're > >> a school district. Our core competency isn't the maintenance of complex > IT > >> system. We don't have the staff with the knowledge to maintain such > systems, > >> and we don't have the money to hire that staff. Our staffing levels have > >> actually shrunk due to budget cuts, while the number of various systems > and > >> applications we're using is continuing to grow. Every new app means more > >> storage space, more backup job complexity, more hardware utilization, > more > >> support requirements, more time troubleshooting, more time > upgrading--the > >> list goes on and on. > >> > >> So what can we do? Outsource the maintenance of as many systems as > possible > >> to companies who specialize in that type of work (so they can almost > always > >> do it better than us) and who gain economies of scale (so they can > almost > >> always do it cheaper than us). Put the app in the cloud, and let someone > >> else worry about things like backups, upgrades, and support. And having > it > >> web-based has the added benefit of there being no client-side software > for > >> us to have to worry about. > >> > >> Reliability hasn't been a factor for us with our cloud-based apps. Our > >> Internet connection is pretty reliable. If it goes down, we have > alternate > >> means of connecting to our most critical apps. Security? Well, the best > we > >> can do there is to have a good contract stipulating our requirements and > the > >> consequences of security breaches. I'm the most advanced tech in our > >> organization, but I'm not a security expert--I'm a technology > generalist, > >> not a specialist. That means these companies can handle security AT > LEAST as > >> well as we can, and often better. > >> > >> It's not right for every organization and every application. But for us, > >> cloud computing offers significant benefits. We're leaning more and more > on > >> it all the time. > >> > >> > >> > >> John Hornbuckle > >> MIS Department > >> Taylor County School District > >> www.taylor.k12.fl.us > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[email protected]] > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 11:36 PM > >> To: NT System Admin Issues > >> Subject: Re: DNS Server service shuts down shortly after the DC boots > >> > >> Oh, yeah. > >> > >> Somehow, though, it seems to me as if 'the cloud' violates the CIA > >> triangle of security. > >> > >> At the very least, > >> > >> a) availability is compromised (if you don't have Internet > >> connectivity, among other things), > >> > >> b) integrity is compromised (new ways of breaking out of VMs to the > >> underlying host, and you don't know who you're sharing a physical host > >> with, not to mention issues with network traffic from the various VMs > >> on a physical host being sniffed.) > >> > >> Color me deeply skeptical. > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 17:34, Carl Houseman <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> Seems the 'cloud' is the new buzzword for how we're going to increase > >>> profits next quarter. The cloud will save us! The cloud will reduce > our > >>> expensive fixed costs! Has Dilbert done something on the cloud yet? > If > >>> > >>> not, it's just a matter of time. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> From: David Lum [mailto:[email protected]] > >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 5:00 PM > >>> To: NT System Admin Issues > >>> Subject: RE: DNS Server service shuts down shortly after the DC boots > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> True, but I’ll use OpenDNS way before using Google or MS DNS servers… > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> The cloud the cloud…everything is cloud around my office with exec’s > >>> …“SharePoint’s broke and we have no expertise here…move it to the > cloud! > >>> Exchange, Live Communications Server, ship –‘em all out!” > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[email protected]] > >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 1:26 PM > >>> To: NT System Admin Issues > >>> Subject: RE: DNS Server service shuts down shortly after the DC boots > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Not everyone wants to depend on DNS services 'in the cloud' even if > >>> they're > >>> free... > >> > >> NOTICE: Florida has a broad public records law. 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