I have encountered some software that requires "run as administrator" on Vista/Win7 to work even if you're already logged in as a local admin. W/out doing that it installs without error but does not have the full functionality (Envisionware's LPTOne is an example, likely because it's intercepting hardware requests).
Dave -----Original Message----- From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: WTF? Fake AV FYI... in Windows Vista/7, you do not have to "run as administrator" to install software. The OS recognizes most installer software as needing admin rights and automatically elevates the installer to run as admin (sometimes with a UAC prompt). And any non-recognized software can declare its need for automatic elevation to admin by including a manifest file. Carl -----Original Message----- From: John Aldrich [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: WTF? Fake AV Steven, I understand where you're coming from, however, I must respectfully disagree. I think it's a security model problem, which makes it a *PLATFORM* problem. In the "Windows World" up until recently, everyone was a local admin by default. In the *nix world (of which Macs are a member since OS/X came out) you are a non-privileged user by default and had to manually escalate your privileges. Under the "old" Windows security model, anyone could install anything they wanted. Under the *nix security model, only an "admin" (or someone who had manually escalated their privileges temporarily) can install something. Now, Microsoft has *finally* seen the error of making it so easy on the end user and made it harder to run as a local admin by default. From what little I've seen of Windows 7, even if you are a member of the "local admin" group, you may still have to manually use "run as an administrator" to install software. -----Original Message----- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:26 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: WTF? Fake AV I'd suggest that's a people problem, not a platform problem. -sc > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:23 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: WTF? Fake AV > > It wouldn't be as bad because ALL of those Mac users are non-admins. > > Compared with today's Windows population where probably 60% or more of > Windows users are admins for everyday usage. > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:20 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: WTF? Fake AV > > I'm not sure how you draw the conclusion that it probably wouldn't be as > bad. > > I'd also suggest that there's a significant anti-MS sentiment that makes it a > specific target. Along with the fact that I suspect that gunning for the #1 > platform makes extrapolating OS share to virus infection target rate a non- > linear exercise. > > -sc > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:13 AM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: RE: WTF? Fake AV > > > > I started to reply to that remark too, then I had a little debate with > > myself whether I could make a good point... given that Macs have had a > > non-admin user default for some time, while Microsoft did nothing to > > encourage users to not be admins until Vista. > > > > Certainly if the tables were turned and Macs had 92% of the worldwide > > market share, the infection rate of Macs would be much higher than we > > see today. But it probably wouldn't be nearly as bad as Windows overall is > today. > > > > Carl > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:00 AM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: RE: WTF? Fake AV > > > > > While I am not a huge fan of MACS, their security model is obviously > > > much better than Windows > > > > I'd suggest that's an ill-drawn conclusion. > > > > -sc > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [email protected] > > > [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:19 AM > > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > > Subject: RE: WTF? Fake AV > > > > > > Are there any reports out there that show Windows 7 running with UAC > > > that its minimizes the infections of spyware. > > > While I am not a huge fan of MACS, their security model is obviously > > > much better than Windows. I am hoping that with Win 7 and their > > > requirement to run as admin similar to the Unix model that it will > > > help minimize this. Even with users not in admin group in Windows > > > XP, Vista I have seen malware get right on and hose a machine. > > > Of course with Windows 7 if you make someone a local admin and > > > disable the UAC you are back to the XP model of security. > > > > > > Of all our support requests I would say 40% at least are malware > > > related probably higher.. > > > > > > I see this as an OS security issue not a 3rd party program issue. > > > > > > Greg > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Tammy [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:11 AM > > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > > Subject: RE: WTF? Fake AV > > > > > > Everyone seems to be having these issues of the rogues slipping through. > > > Not just any one AV. > > > 70 thousand or so new ones released daily so it is difficult for > > > anyone to keep up. > > > More explained here by Eric Howes > > > > > > http://www.sunbeltsecuritynews.com/ > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Tammy Stewart > > > Malware Removal Specialist > > > Sunbelt Software > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ > > > <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ > > > <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ > > <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ > > <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ > <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ > <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~
