The model is fine. I'll agree the transition from the default needed to happen. But quite frankly it would have broken a boatload of apps... should they have forced app developers hand sooner? Perhaps so, and that's is indeed a debate.
But the platform model is fine. Incidentally, I've been creating users as non-admins for years now. Long before OS X even had the concept. -sc > -----Original Message----- > From: John Aldrich [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:35 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: WTF? Fake AV > > Steven, > I understand where you're coming from, however, I must respectfully > disagree. I think it's a security model problem, which makes it a *PLATFORM* > problem. In the "Windows World" up until recently, everyone was a local > admin by default. In the *nix world (of which Macs are a member since OS/X > came out) you are a non-privileged user by default and had to manually > escalate your privileges. > Under the "old" Windows security model, anyone could install anything they > wanted. Under the *nix security model, only an "admin" (or someone who > had manually escalated their privileges temporarily) can install something. > Now, Microsoft has *finally* seen the error of making it so easy on the end > user and made it harder to run as a local admin by default. > From what little I've seen of Windows 7, even if you are a member of the > "local admin" group, you may still have to manually use "run as an > administrator" to install software. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:26 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: WTF? Fake AV > > I'd suggest that's a people problem, not a platform problem. > > -sc > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:23 AM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: RE: WTF? Fake AV > > > > It wouldn't be as bad because ALL of those Mac users are non-admins. > > > > Compared with today's Windows population where probably 60% or more > of > > Windows users are admins for everyday usage. > > > > Carl > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:20 AM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: RE: WTF? Fake AV > > > > I'm not sure how you draw the conclusion that it probably wouldn't be > > as bad. > > > > I'd also suggest that there's a significant anti-MS sentiment that > > makes it a specific target. Along with the fact that I suspect that > > gunning for the #1 platform makes extrapolating OS share to virus > > infection target rate a non- linear exercise. > > > > -sc > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:13 AM > > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > > Subject: RE: WTF? Fake AV > > > > > > I started to reply to that remark too, then I had a little debate > > > with myself whether I could make a good point... given that Macs > > > have had a non-admin user default for some time, while Microsoft did > > > nothing to encourage users to not be admins until Vista. > > > > > > Certainly if the tables were turned and Macs had 92% of the > > > worldwide market share, the infection rate of Macs would be much > > > higher than we see today. But it probably wouldn't be nearly as bad > > > as Windows overall is > > today. > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:00 AM > > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > > Subject: RE: WTF? Fake AV > > > > > > > While I am not a huge fan of MACS, their security model is > > > > obviously much better than Windows > > > > > > I'd suggest that's an ill-drawn conclusion. > > > > > > -sc > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:19 AM > > > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > > > Subject: RE: WTF? Fake AV > > > > > > > > Are there any reports out there that show Windows 7 running with > > > > UAC that its minimizes the infections of spyware. > > > > While I am not a huge fan of MACS, their security model is > > > > obviously much better than Windows. I am hoping that with Win 7 > > > > and their requirement to run as admin similar to the Unix model > > > > that it will help minimize this. Even with users not in admin > > > > group in Windows XP, Vista I have seen malware get right on and hose a > machine. > > > > Of course with Windows 7 if you make someone a local admin and > > > > disable the UAC you are back to the XP model of security. > > > > > > > > Of all our support requests I would say 40% at least are malware > > > > related probably higher.. > > > > > > > > I see this as an OS security issue not a 3rd party program issue. > > > > > > > > Greg > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Tammy [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:11 AM > > > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > > > Subject: RE: WTF? Fake AV > > > > > > > > Everyone seems to be having these issues of the rogues slipping > through. > > > > Not just any one AV. > > > > 70 thousand or so new ones released daily so it is difficult for > > > > anyone to keep up. > > > > More explained here by Eric Howes > > > > > > > > http://www.sunbeltsecuritynews.com/ > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Tammy Stewart > > > > Malware Removal Specialist > > > > Sunbelt Software > > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > > > > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > > > > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > > > > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ > > > <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > > > > > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ > > > <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ > > <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ > > <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ > <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ > <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~
