ARD also costs at least $300 for basic 10-user mgmt. RDP/RDCM are both free, so is pstools.
WGM is a closer comparison to GPO as OD is to AD....well, AD back in the NT 4.0 days with the PDC-BDC/master-slave set up. On 9/7/10 2:34 PM, "Jeff Steward" <[email protected]> wrote: > Don't knock yourself out here Matt, I'm just curious how one manages these > issues in a mixed environment. I have one Mac user who works part time so we > set him up with a Remote Desktop client and he works in a Terminal Server > session. > > Regards, > > Jeff Steward > > On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Matthew W. Ross <[email protected]> > wrote: >> Apple Remote Desktop is more akin to the Windows Management MMC, MS Remote >> Desktop and the SysInternals Power Tools rolled into one package. Open >> Directory is more akin to Group Policy. >> >> I will see what I can find out about those regulations. >> >> >> >> --Matt Ross >> Ephrata School District >> >> On Sep 7, 2010, at 11:21 AM, "Jeff Steward" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> HIPAA >>> SOX >>> MA 201 CMR 17.00 >>> >>> To varying degrees they all boil down to: >>> >>> We define a security policy that meets the regulatory requirements and base >>> configurations to meet that policy and then report regularly on performance >>> to standards. I see from one of your follow-up posts that Apple Remote >>> Desktop is akin to Group Policy. >>> >>> -Jeff Steward >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Matthew W. Ross < >>> <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> Can you be more specific? What standards are you needing to be compliant >>>> to? An example regulation would help me answer your question. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --Matt Ross >>>> Ephrata School District >>>> >>>> On Sep 7, 2010, at 10:26 AM, "Jeff Steward" < <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> A school environment is not the same as a public company environment. >>>>> Compliance to <insert your favorite standard here> and reporting on said >>>>> compliance or non-trivial issues for public companies or private companies >>>>> subject to other regulations. There are a wealth of tools for managing >>>>> these issues in a Windows environment, can the same be said of the Mac >>>>> environment? >>>>> >>>>> -Jeff Steward >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Matthew W. Ross < >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> Macs are not the burden you make them sound to be. >>>>>> >>>>>> Integrating a Mac into a windows network is never going to be painless; >>>>>> the two systems are inherently different. If what you want is a Windows >>>>>> experience from your Mac, install Windows. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now not everybody likes MacOS X, but the same can be said for Windows. >>>>>> Insert the problem of subjective preference here. >>>>>> >>>>>> Personally, I love working on my iMac, and managing the other Macs in our >>>>>> district is very easy if you use the provided Apple tools: Mac OS X >>>>>> server, Open Directory, and Apple Remote Desktop. >>>>>> >>>>>> Then again, I hate how a Mac _can_ cost 2x as much as a comparable PC. I >>>>>> do like that software upgrades are cheaper for Mac, but I don't like how >>>>>> apple drops support for anything that is not the current generation or >>>>>> the previous one. If you're 2 generations back, you're out of luck. >>>>>> >>>>>> What can a Mac do that a PC Can't? Nothing. But I would argue that >>>>>> competition is one of the pillars of innovation. Without Mac OS X >>>>>> competing against Windows, what would Windows look like today? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --Matt Ross >>>>>> Ephrata School District >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: James Hill >>>>>> [mailto: <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]] >>>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>>>> [mailto: <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>> [email protected]] >>>>>> Sent: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 >>>>>> 19:28:49 -0700 >>>>>> Subject: RE: Mac and Windows mix >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> > We have pretty much eliminated all of the Mac's here. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > We didn't have 3rd party products to manage them so they always >>>>>>> required so >>>>>>> > much manual interaction. Any global change we made we could easily >>>>>>> automate >>>>>>> > with PC's thanks to group policy etc but it was always a manual change >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> > the Mac's. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > They really aren't a corporate product imo. You only have to look to >>>>>>> Apple >>>>>>> > for a corporate grade management solution to realise that it doesn't >>>>>>> exist. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > They do indeed need patching ( <http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1222> >>>>>>> <http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1222> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1222) >>>>>>> and there >>>>>>> > is AV products for them. Symantec has one for example. Personally I >>>>>>> think >>>>>>> > the day is coming when someone will write a decent bit of >>>>>>> malware/virus for >>>>>>> > them and 99% plus will get caught out by it. There is a very >>>>>>> misguided >>>>>>> > opinion amongst the Apple community that they are safe. Apple's false >>>>>>> > advertising only strengthens this. The facts are that Mac's are more >>>>>>> > vulnerable than the PC world <http://www.crn.com/security/226200083> >>>>>>> <http://www.crn.com/security/226200083> >>>>>>> http://www.crn.com/security/226200083 >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > More importantly, what is the need for the Mac's in the first place? >>>>>>> For us >>>>>>> > they were only sued for Adobe CS, which runs just fine on PC's. In >>>>>>> fact >>>>>>> > these days Adobe is more behind the PC world than the Mac. For >>>>>>> example, >>>>>>> > 64bit Photoshop was first on PC, had to wait for CS5 for Mac to get >>>>>>> it. >>>>>>> > That's without going into the Flash debate :) >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > From: David Lum [mailto: <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]] >>>>>>> > Sent: Saturday, 4 September 2010 6:07 AM >>>>>>> > To: NT System Admin Issues >>>>>>> > Subject: Mac and Windows mix >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > I would like to hear from those of you who have a mixed Windows/Mac >>>>>>> > environments: How do you handle management of the diverse environment? >>>>>>> > Presumably with Mac's there is no patching or AV. 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