Do you hear that sound going over your head John? Wait...never mind. - WJR
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 13:30, John Aldrich <[email protected]>wrote: > Yep. That's why, for my wife and I, at least, Wal-Mart is a place we rarely > shop. For groceries, we normally go to Bi-Lo or Kroger. Very rarely do we go > to Wal-Mart. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 2:14 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Resume's > > Wow. > > -sc > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John Aldrich [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 1:53 PM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: RE: Resume's > > > > ROFL! :-) Yeah... lately in my part of the country it seems like a lot of > > "immigrants" (legal and otherwise) like to shop there at the same time > and > > bring all 12 of their kids (ages 3-????) and let them run around the > store > > completely unsupervised, screaming at the top of their lungs and > generally > > getting into everyone's way! :-( > > > > > > Thanks, > > John Aldrich > > IT Manager, > > Blueridge Carpet > > 706-276-2001, Ext. 2233 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Jonathan Link [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 1:07 PM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: Re: Resume's > > > > Yes, it is. As in almost every time I go in there I feel like I'm going > to explode. > > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Don Ely <[email protected]> wrote: > > Walmart is da bomb! > > > > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Jonathan Link <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > I think that would be more annoying than even going to the post office. > One > > presumes the MBS has home delivery or can easily drop off the bills in an > > easily accessible mailbox. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:24 PM, John Aldrich > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Well, you could always go to Walmart. They offer electronic bill-payment > > through Western Union, I think. Not free, but still ? > > > > > > > > From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 12:04 PM > > > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: RE: Resume's > > > > Yeah, my bank offers online billpay and I use it for my business account, > but > > my personal account would have to change to a different account type to > get > > online billpay (Ive had this account for 25 years) and I would lose some > > features I like having that they bank no longer offers to new > accounts.the > > online billpay is one of the change now! enticements they offer to get > > people off the higher cost (to the bank) accounts > > > > I guess Im a luddite. > > > > Regards, > > > > Michael B. Smith > > Consultant and Exchange MVP > > http://TheEssentialExchange.com > > > > From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:58 AM > > > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: RE: Resume's > > > > I refuse. My bank has online billpay, which I use for vendors who dont > have > > an online system. The bank will either transfer the money to them (if > theyre > > capable of receiving it electronically), or mail them a checkwhich costs > me > > nothing. > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:35 AM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: RE: Resume's > > > > Im irritated that I still have to use the U.S. Mail to pay two of my > monthly > > bills. > > > > Regards, > > > > Michael B. Smith > > Consultant and Exchange MVP > > http://TheEssentialExchange.com > > > > From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:32 AM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: RE: Resume's > > > > That happened probably 14 years ago, before everybody had email. My > > resume bombings then consisted of dropping off a stack of envelopes at > the > > post office. Some of you still remember those places, right? Tell me Im > not > > alone! > > > > From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:50 AM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: RE: Resume's > > > > Part of me thinks extra marks for effort in a strange way it shows more > > time has gone into it than an email CV bombed to 20 different places. > > > > My own pet hate is people who send in Publisher documents. > > > > From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: 15 September 2010 15:48 > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: RE: Resume's > > > > The most memorable resume I ever received was hand written on lined > > paper torn from a spiral bound notebook. I still cant believe we got it. > > > > -Paul > > > > From: Doug Hampshire [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:35 AM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: Re: Resume's > > > > Also a hiring manager (in fact I'm hiring someone this week): > > > > - Two pages max. Oh you can send me your 4 page resume, but I won't > really > > ready past page two and I might just toss yours for being overly verbose. > I > > am also a long-term, rabid follower of the www.manager-tools.com [1] > > podcasts/website, but I disagree with their 1 page resume for Technical > > positions. > > - For $diety's sake people Spel Chunk and profred your resume. Then have > 3 > > other people beside your mom/wife/girlfriend read it...outloud. > > - Don't put an objective on your resume. You're wasting valuable space > and it > > means nothing. > > - For each position your bullet points should be accomplishment and > results > > focused statements. Don't put "Managed Exchange stuff" on there. But > > rather reword it into something that shows you did something concrete for > > the company either through efficiencies, savings, improved productivity, > etc. > > For example (and of course always tell the truth) "Designed and deployed > > Exchange messaging system that consistently provided 99.99% availability > > measured on an annual basis. Responded to all requests for > > adds/moves/changes for users at 100% within the defined SLA's" > > - Related to the point above If you aren't measuring "stuff" > > (stuff=performance metrics, up-time, user help desk response rates/times, > > etc.) start measuring it. Even if your management team doesn't care about > it, > > you measure it anyway. > > - Did I mention spel chunking and profreading yet? > > - Cover letter, yes you need one, no matter what. I get cover letters on > > maybe 20% of the resumes submitted. I read 100% of the ones with cover > > letters. Without a cover letter you might get as little as 15-20 seconds > of me > > reading your resume. > > - While I personally applaud you for contributing to the community, I > usually > > don't want to see that you were a "Northampton County Farm Safety Day > > Volunteer[2]". Now if you participate in something industry related, or > it > > shows a very specific skill (for example you sit on the board of a local > charity > > and are trying to show management skills). > > - If you want to include a Technical Skills section, please put it near > the end, > > not at the beginning. And include only stuff that people have heard of. I > > don't care if you're proficient in some software package that manages > > crushed grape sugar levels unless I hiring you to work at a winery. And > if you > > list it, you darn well better have at least an intermediate level of > mastery of > > that Tech Skill. There WILL be a quiz. You watching Bob the Coworker > install > > vSphere 4.0 does not count as a Technical Skill. Oh, and cut the stupid > crap > > like listing NetBIOS and NeiBEUI. That means virtually nothing, and if I > do > > decide to quiz you on that I bet you fail and roll over and wet yourself. > > > > I wrote a couple of Blog posts a few years ago on getting yourself hired > (or > > not getting hired). Feel free to check them out here. > > http://hampshire.wordpress.com/category/jobs-and-hiring/ > > > > Finally while these are thoughts that I've personally developed over the > > years, it turns out that a significant number of other IT Managers that > I've > > shared these with all concur. YMMV. > > > > [1] Even if you not a technical manager, subscribe to their Podcasts. > Your > > career will thank you. > > [2] This was an actual verbatim bullet point. > > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Gary Slinger <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > Nope. The more senior the position, the shorter the actual resume gets. > > > > Oh, and FWIW - I'm a hiring manager. I won't read your 4 page resume. I > > might, at interview, but you'd never get that far. > > ________________________________________ > > From: "Sam Cayze" <[email protected]> > > Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 00:23:23 -0500 > > To: NT System Admin Issues<[email protected]> > > ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" <[email protected] > > software.com> > > Subject: RE: Resume's > > > > At first I gawked when I read *9* page resume, but then read on, and > agree > > with how you did it. IMO (and many others) for sure have that info > avail, > > on request or as a separate attachment. I would say: A cover letter, a > 1-4 > > page resume TOPS, portfolio/addenda, which also includes letters of > > recommendation, documentation examples, references, etc > > > > A nice portfolio like this, put together well, shows of your seriousness > and > > organizational skills. During an interview, it also gives the > interviewer plenty > > of pieces of paper to fumble through while they awkwardly stumble for > > things to talk about > > > > Any resumes themselves in the 3-4 page range should be for senior > > executive positions only. > > > > Sam > > > > From: MarvinC [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 9:31 PM > > > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: Re: Resume's > > > > One or two line summary followed by bullet points and everything should > be > > in chronological order. IT resumes aren't that hard to read depending on > the > > format used to describe your particular skillset and the job you're > seeking. So > > I say don't pay anyone unless you're desperate. I suggest posting here > first as > > I'm sure someone would gladly critique it for you. My resume is currently > up > > to 9 pages and filled with mostly redundant info from jobs spanning the > last 5 > > years. I don't list any contracts lasting less than three (3) months and > I keep a > > trimmed copy that's forwarded to hiring managers when needed. I present > > the 9-page booklet during the interview where I'm given the opportunity > to > > expand on what's listed because no one wants to read through all of the > > gibberish. > > > > gl > > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:58 PM, Gary Slinger <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > Keep the drafts/full versions - those are your career management > > documents. Just don't expect a hiring manager to read them :) > > ________________________________________ > > From: "William J. Robbins" <[email protected]> > > Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 01:56:48 +0000 > > To: NT System Admin Issues<[email protected]> > > ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" <[email protected] > > software.com> > > Subject: Re: Resume's > > > > Yeah I'm working on cutting mine down drastically. I'm at 3 pages. :P > > > > WJR > > - from my Crackberry. > > > > "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck." > > ________________________________________ > > From: "Gary Slinger" <[email protected]> > > Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 23:38:35 +0000 > > To: NT System Admin Issues<[email protected]> > > ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" <[email protected] > > software.com> > > Subject: Re: Resume's > > > > Present! > > > > Seriously, that's good stuff to manage by, and therefore to use as a > guide > > from the other side. > > > > One-pager ideal, two-pages at the outside. > > ________________________________________ > > From: William Robbins <[email protected]> > > Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 17:11:53 -0500 > > To: NT System Admin Issues<[email protected]> > > ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" <[email protected] > > software.com> > > Subject: Re: Resume's > > > > http://www.manager-tools.com/podcasts/manager-tools?filter0=30 > > > > I love these guys, thanks again to that Corona Light drinking Limey > b...@stard! > > > > - WJR > > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 16:59, Joseph L. Casale > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > I have an opportunity coming up and want to make a decent looking resume > > but really dont know whats currently the accepted format etc. > > > > Anyone have any pointers or examples they wouldnt mind sharing? 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