Or even divisions of HP...

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Ben Scott <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Rohyans, Aaron <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > Cisco doesn’t offer power supply or fan replacements in their
> > warranty… All HP is doing here is offering free brakes/tires with every
> car
> > purchased… big deal.  How many are we anticipating on replacing?  And in
> the
> > grand scheme of things, how much is this really going to cost you (or not
> > cost you)?
>
>  Well, if I have to replace a $2000 switch because a $1 fan failed,
> quite a bit.
>
> > Cisco only supports their product 5 years after EoL… Well, there’s
> > a reason the product went EoL… and more than likely, it’s had an already
> > extensive career in the network.
>
>  In my experience, in many organizations, network equipment has a
> much longer lifecycle than computers.  A great many places *still*
> don't need anything more than 100 megabit to the desktop.  So a 10-15
> year usable lifetime isn't unrealistic.  Obviously some shops need to
> upgrade more often than that, but many don't.
>
>  I like that with ProCurve, I get to decide when my equipment is
> obsolete; HP doesn't do it for me.
>
> > Cisco doesn’t offer free TAC support.  OK, but does HP offer free
> > support on all their products, or just ProCurve?
>
>  What does that have to do with what switch I should buy?
>
>  By that logic: Cisco owns LinkSys, LinkSys's stuff is cheap consumer
> crap, therefore, all of Cisco's stuff must be cheap consumer crap.
>
> > I can almost guarantee they don’t see the types of issues Cisco
> > sees, let alone do they have the technical depth that Cisco does in the
> > TAC.  You get what you pay for – or don’t pay for.
>
>  I believe HP has been making switches longer than Cisco has.  They
> certainly got a huge installed base, and have extensive layer two
> experience and knowledge.  If you're talking routers, yes, Cisco has a
> definite edge.  But we're talking switches.
>
> > I highly doubt HP guarantees next day delivery on all RMA items… there’s
> > fine print there somewhere (or conveniently excluded).
>
>  They do indeed promise immediate shipment via next day carrier.
> Strictly speaking, "delivery" is up to the carrier, I presume.  In my
> experience, if HP doesn't have your part they'll ship you something
> better.
>
>  Until recently, the *entire* ProCurve warranty statement was
> (paraphrased), "HP guarantees the product against defects in materials
> or manufacture for the lifetime of the product."  That's it.  Full
> stop.  One sentence.  It's since grown come caveats for software and
> GBIC modules, but it's still very short and straight-forward.  I wish
> more companies would take the lesson.
>
> -- Ben
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