Three points:

- Please substantiate your allegation that HP support for networking is
somehow inferior because you're not paying for an expensive support
contact.  (I've spoken to quite a few techs from both organizations)

- I mentioned that Cisco had more failures *percentage-wise*.  I did not
make the comparison on sheer number of incidents, as that would have been
skewed by market share.

- Please provide me a use-case where a Cisco switch is proven to provide
some functionality that an HP ProCurve cannot accomplish without incurring
costs our complexity that negate the cost differential.

You've already  agreed with the equality of quality.

These are all part of the value proposition.

-ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker

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On Sep 16, 2010 4:49 PM, "Rohyans, Aaron" <[email protected]> wrote:

I think you’re missing my point here… though I may not be clear enough.  My
point is one of support *value*, rather than support *cost*.  Is HP cheaper
than Cisco when it comes to support? … yes, hands down.  Does HP provide the
same level of support from a value perspective as Cisco? … I would have to
say no.  Again, *you get what you pay for*.  You’re not paying for high
value support… thus, HP will gladly throw new equipment your way and let you
talk to a low-end tech all day long if it’ll make you happy.  It’s worth it
to them.  Cisco, on the other hand, takes a different approach… you pay for
support, but have access to a large pool of technical resources when things
go awry… even access to the developers themselves.  Keep in mind also that
Cisco offers one of the best online documentation systems of any
manufacturer in the world… becoming familiar with Cisco products is not
hard… and it’s free.



As to the price difference… we could argue features all day long… but how do
you define “comparable” switches?  Yes, both are Ethernet switches and both
operate at 10/100/1000Gb… and if that’s all you’re after, then you shouldn’t
be looking at Cisco.  Cisco offers some of the most granular and
technologically advanced features in their product lineup… “comparing” these
two switches requires a baseline for comparison.  To some, Cisco’s “cheap”
in terms of what you get for the cost.  To others they’re ungodly expensive,
but those “others” typically aren’t concerned with the added features that
you get with Cisco… thus HP makes the most sense, or any other vendor for
that matter.



HP is probably lower in overall device failures… but they have less than 20%
of the switching market share.  Compared to Cisco’s 70%, that would make
sense.  *I’m not arguing the “quality” of HP/Cisco switches here*.  You’re
right, both are rock solid!





Aaron T. Rohyans
Senior Network Engineer

CCIE #21945

DPSciences Corporation
7400 N. Shadeland...

*From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:[email protected]]
*Sent:* Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:04 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Switch opinions





>>It’s a lame attempt to acquire market share by offering free support on
the product line.

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