I'm sure it'll be a bit trickier convincing the "special" people in IT. :-)
My initial sounding-out of the powers-that-be didn't go too badly, so fingers crossed tomorrow might see some positive developments. On 30 September 2010 18:57, Jonathan Link <[email protected]> wrote: > If it's already been navigated, then it should be a short corollary to if > they don't need domain admin rights, they don't get them. > > > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 1:49 PM, James Rankin <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I can easily use a "Server Admins" group - just involves a little extra >> work granting some user rights, that's all >> >> On the other query, users don't run as admins. They're Citrix-based so >> that hurdle hasn't arisen - or already been navigated. >> >> >> On 30 September 2010 18:25, Brian Desmond <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> *Please don’t try and use the Server Operators group. It doesn’t >>> actually grant hardly anything on your member servers but it will hand out >>> all sorts of strange permissions you never expected to your DCs. It’s there >>> for legacy (NT4) compatibility. You shouldn’t be populating any of the * >>> Operators groups. * >>> >>> * * >>> >>> *Thanks,* >>> >>> *Brian Desmond* >>> >>> *[email protected]* >>> >>> * * >>> >>> *c – 312.731.3132* >>> >>> * * >>> >>> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:[email protected]] >>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 30, 2010 7:19 AM >>> >>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues >>> *Subject:* Re: Restricting groups in Active Directory >>> >>> >>> >>> I am seriously going to try to get them to accept Server Operators level >>> as a compromise. They can still kill servers all they want, but they should >>> be able to be locked out of the finer points of VMWare, XenApp and AppSense. >>> Time for my first head-butting session with management in this job. If they >>> won't budge - it's going straight on the (not yet existent) risk register. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> On 30 September 2010 13:05, William J. Robbins <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> The short answer is yes, if they are domain admins they can do anything >>> they like provided they have the knowledge. Including add themselves to the >>> Enterprise Admins group since you said you were in a single domain, which I >>> interpret as no "empty root." >>> >>> You could change the ACL's, but again they can undo that with the >>> knowledge. >>> >>> The help desk!? Seriously? Well good luck to you in the new position, >>> sounds like you may need some. >>> >>> >>> WJR >>> - from my Crackberry. >>> >>> "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck." >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From: *James Rankin <[email protected]> >>> >>> *Date: *Thu, 30 Sep 2010 12:49:52 +0100 >>> >>> *To: *NT System Admin Issues<[email protected]> >>> >>> *ReplyTo: *"NT System Admin Issues" < >>> [email protected]> >>> >>> *Subject: *Restricting groups in Active Directory >>> >>> >>> >>> I've just started a new job and we're building an all-new infrastructure. >>> One of the key things I'm looking at it is restricting access to the most >>> sensitive functions of some of the infrastructure, mainly in VMWare and >>> XenApp. I'm currently looking at doing this by using AD groups - creating >>> groups for each support team and adding those groups to the relevant areas >>> in XenApp and VirtualCenter to give them the necessary permissions. >>> >>> However, the business are adamant that every member of the support teams >>> (from helpdesk upwards) will be given a Domain Admin account. Am I right in >>> assuming this means that they could simply add themselves into the groups I >>> am setting up, because even if I restrict these groups via an ACL, they >>> could just take ownership of the group? >>> >>> Could I edit the ACL for these groups and Deny Domain Admins the Modify >>> Ownership privilege? Or can they override that as well somehow? Is there >>> some way I could handle this even if everyone gets given Domain Admin >>> access, or will I have to convince them to do things *properly* using >>> delegation of privilege? >>> >>> All input is welcomed, >>> >>> TIA, >>> >>> >>> >>> JRR >>> >>> -- >>> "On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into >>> the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' 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