If you get RedHat, you can buy support contracts from them. Several other distributions offer commercial support as well.
From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 4:33 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: document sprawl Jack - All due respect to you and to Linux, as I know it is a solid OS, but how easy is it to find rock solid & trusted Linux support for shops that have only windoze skills? And I dont mean simple administration support. I mean, My entire SAN just went down and it is costing me $10,000 an hour to be down, and I have no Linux skills in house because the last guy that knew Linux was just downsized last month by an accountant before we had a chance to cross-train and all of his documentation was stored on the SAN. HELP! Wed love to expand our internal skill sets with Linux knowledge, but up until recently, we havent had much time to breathe, let alone play around with Linux. As for Zettabyte, it looks like they are only a backup solution. Is this the right site? http://www.zettabytestorage.com/ Even if they do offer primary storage, 8 TB is their upper end. I (and many others on this list) are already beyond that; even fully de-duped, that would not last my organization much longer. Regardless, it appears that the Zettabyte product is geared toward backup. Im talking about PRIMARY storage de-dupe, not backup de-dupe. Again, Id like to know the names of big time players who are doing primary storage de-duplication at the byte or block level, EMC, Commvault, Hitachi Data Systems, etc. Is there anyone aside from NetApp? Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE Technology Coordinator Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA [email protected] www.eaglemds.com ________________________________________ From: Kramer, Jack [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 3:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: document sprawl Linux filesystems SDFS and Zettabyte stand out as good examples of dedup filesystems. There's also no reason a linux server can't act as a SMB host. ---- Jack Kramer Computer Systems Specialist University Relations, Michigan State University w: 517-884-1231 / c: 248-635-4955 From: "Raper, Jonathan - Eagle" <[email protected]> Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues <[email protected]> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 15:11:01 -0500 To: NT System Admin Issues <[email protected]> Subject: RE: document sprawl Thats a great idea in theory, but aside from NetApp, are there any big time players who are doing primary storage de-duplication at the byte or block level? Generally when people talk about de-dupe, they are talking about secondary storage and backup mechanisms. Sure there has been talk about sub-file dedupe in primary storage for years, but who is really doing it yet? Single Instance Store in Server 2003 and 2008 will help, but the files have to be identical in size and content (name and date/time stamp can be different). However, even then, it is (from my understanding) only really available in Storage Server 2003/2008 which I believe is only available bundled as an appliance from an OEM. Real (IMHO, anyway) deduplication happens at the byte or block level, keeping only unique bits and pieces of differing files. If I have 100 copies of a power point and only change one name on the last page, then I get 1 copy of the power point, and only the blocks of data that comprise the name changes on the remaining 99 copies. SIS wont do that; in that example, youd still have 100 copies of the file. De-dupe would do that, but like I said, aside from NetApp, who is really doing sub-file dedupe on primary storage right now? http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/datacenter/?p=2913&tag=content;leftCol http://searchstorage.techtarget.co.uk/tip/0,289483,sid181_gci1518522,00.html Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE Technology Coordinator Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA [email protected] www.eaglemds.com ________________________________________ From: Kramer, Jack [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 12:55 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: document sprawl Why would the extra copies disappear on a dedup solution? The file markers would exist in multiple places but the common blocks would only be written to disk once, leaving just the individual blocks as extra usage. For a file duplicated many times you'd use only (n-(n-1)+(small amount for descriptors)) of space to host the duplicates. That sounds like it would free quite a bit of disk for you while also allowing your users to continue in their set ways. ---- Jack Kramer Computer Systems Specialist University Relations, MichiganState University w: 517-884-1231 / c: 248-635-4955 From: S Powell <[email protected]> Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues <[email protected]> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 12:24:12 -0500 To: NT System Admin Issues <[email protected]> Subject: Re: document sprawl that is a good thought. We've discussed that, but we don't have projects that end like that , tend to more have ongoing things. i'd love to run a dedupe and and then pitch the extra copies, but then people wouldn't know where to find anything because they wouldn't remember where they put the originals. welcome to the machine. I 'm grateful for all the feedback on this topic and glad to know that I'm not the only one facing some of these challenges. Google.com Learn it. Live it. Love it. On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 21:54, Ken Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote: A couple of things I could think of... Implement a product that does disk de-dupe? For project related work, incorporate document clean up into the project shutdown phase - make the manager responsible for putting the final versions of documents into whatever your master repository is Cheers Ken -----Original Message----- From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, 4 December 2010 6:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: document sprawl They ignore the warnings. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. They would rather blame their inability to get work done on lack of storage rather than the fact they didn't clean up all of their old "stuff" to begin with. This is an old battle. One I'm weary of fighting. -----Original Message----- From: VIPCS [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 4:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: document sprawl We think you can automatically send them warnings when they are close to their quotas. You also have leverage to negotiate with them at that point - an extra 10% increase in exchange for deleting old files, and you know what the quota was before, and can tell whether they are fulfilling their end of the agreement. Sincerely, Jeffrey and Mary Jane Harris VIPCS -----Original Message----- From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 5:26 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: document sprawl Doesn't work. They let them fill up and then gripe that they can't save their files because the file system is full. -----Original Message----- From: VIPCS [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 4:14 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: document sprawl A bit simplistic, but have you considered disk quotas for server file storage? Sincerely, Jeffrey and Mary Jane Harris VIPCS -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Wimberly [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 12:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: document sprawl I have attempted to tackle this issue before, I like to call it "encourage spring cleaning!" but my words always seem to fall on deaf ears. Lately every time I bring it up we end up buying more hard drives for the server! I give up. Maybe I'm just too cheap? On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Jeff Brown <[email protected]> wrote: > In regards to email, we were able to establish a retention policy that > messages in the Inbox, Sent Items, and Deleted Items folders are all deleted > after 90 days. Exchange mailbox manager allowed to do that weekly. > Don't manage other folders. Not perfect, but it helped. > > On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Don Guyer <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> I'd be interested in a solution to this. Been fighting it for years >> to no avail, other than running a "data inventory" program (such as >> TreeSize) and >> doing a manual compare. >> >> >> >> Don't forget all of the email attachments saved along with the >> original email. >> >> >> >> J >> >> >> >> Don Guyer >> >> Systems Engineer - Information Services >> >> Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group >> >> 431 W. Lancaster Avenue >> >> Devon, PA 19333 >> >> Direct: (610) 993-3299 >> >> Fax: (610) 650-5306 >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> From: S Powell [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 11:17 AM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: document sprawl >> >> >> >> Hello Everybody </Dr. Nick> >> >> >> >> I'd like to pick your brains about how you deal with document sprawl, >> I was reading in another thread about how users would use their >> "Recycle Bin" as their archive. <shudder> >> >> we have users that will keep tens of copies of the same document in >> various locations around their "My Documents"; as well as in tens of >> locations within our "shared" folders on the network ... >> >> >> >> User education only goes so far when it comes to "please don't do that" as >> they nod and then keep doing it. >> >> I think we've moved beyond being nice and we've found ourselves >> >> mired in needing a sledgehammer. I'd just like to wrap it in a bit >> of velvet. >> >> >> >> Thoughts, Policies, procedures etc, would be helpful in this. >> >> >> >> TIA >> >> >> >> ./s >> Google.com Learn it. Live it. 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