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DAMIEN SOLODOW Systems Engineer 317.447.6033 (office) 317.217.6851 (fax) HARRISON COLLEGE From: Alan Davies [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 9:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Morale killer... Yup .. I keep a spare wand in my drawer. It's beside the "make is secure" button ... a ________________________________ From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 08 March 2011 11:38 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Morale killer... My argument wasn't so much that the business side doesn't understand the *value* of IT so much as they don't understand IT itself, and what's required to keep IT systems running smoothly. They love it when IT systems deliver an e-mail message to them or give them access to information that helps them do their jobs better. But I think sometimes they think it all sort of runs itself, though, and that sysadmins who spend lots of times in their offices (or NOCs/server rooms/whatever) aren't really working all that much. And when the business side wants a new IT function, the sysadmins ought to just be able to wave their magic wands and make it happen with little investment of time or money. John From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 3:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Morale killer... I've found that attitudes vary immensely depending on how much IT is used within the business. You've mentioned IT companies as one extreme. I would add that companies that utilise IT significantly (e.g. those that tend to be information based companies) like major financial institutions, high tech manufacturing/service companies etc. also understand the value of IT. On the other hand, (as an example) the workers in a large chain of hairdressers probably doesn't appreciate it as much. Cheers Ken From: Alan Davies [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, 8 March 2011 12:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Morale killer... Haha ... well, both actually ;o) In the quoted statement however, I was referring to the attitude of the general populace towards IT, in that they don't know what the hell any of us do but figure we must be responsible anyway each time their machine crashes! All too easy to assume that it can be outsourced like toilet cleaners and just "happen". In light of that, the sharper end (geekier!) of IT are getting more and more commoditised and therefore even less likely to know jack about the business. In my opinion, everyone in a company should know what the company is trying to achieve and align themselves to that goal first and foremost, in as much as their role will allow. The truth is that many people put blinkers on and just want to do their own thing. Back to the OP, it's possible your manager thinks you're not business aware enough, and countering this may help you. Then again, they may just make up new comments each time you discuss promotion and never treat you differently .. in which case, either enjoy the status quo enough to stay, or leave and get a better job! a ________________________________ From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 07 March 2011 16:26 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Morale killer... I wish you wouldn't leave it at that-I'm enjoying this discussion! :-) If Alan is saying that IT folks tend to be somewhat ignorant of the business side of things, I agree. Although I think he's instead saying that the business folks tend to be somewhat ignorant of the IT side of things. I agree with that, too, though. So either way, I think I'm agreeing with him. 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