You mention something interesting (we do have OCS2007r2)...target distribution groups? Sounds like a much better way to go. Any pointers?
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Steven Peck <[email protected]> wrote: > Ya, we created documentation on adding contacts and it became a manager > issue if they cared (LCS2005sp1 less tools) which it turns out they did > not. With OCS2007r2 you can just target distribution groups and their > membership will dynamically update so that may be a less painful route to > go. If posible, I would try to edge your management to away from 'mandated > minimum standard contacts'. > > Let's see, right now the average number of contacts per user here is 34.64 > (I wonder if being .64 of a contact hurts?). Our highest is 162 contacts. > > Good luck with that, some management teams seem enamored with the illusion > of top down dictates. > > Steven Peck > http://www.blkmtn.org > > > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 9:16 AM, James Rankin <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I had to do that in a previous job. It can be done with those scripts but >> it is fairly non-dynamic when it comes to updating users who have left, etc. >> You could do it with some form of scripting querying AD but it's a big >> fudge. >> >> In the end we opted to set up a script to auto-enable every user for OCS >> and then simply allowed them to create their own contact groups. >> Administratively it was a huge PITA to maintain these "contact sets". We put >> together a document detailing how to set up contact groups, how to use OCS >> for dialing people from Outlook, etc. and sent it to every user after they'd >> been enabled for the software. In the long run this was probably more >> productive. >> >> >> On 15 April 2011 17:12, Cameron <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Actually...that's what I've been *asked* to setup...a minimum 'set' of >>> contacts from the various locations grouped by function, etc >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Steven Peck <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> OK wait, I think there is some confusion here. Yes, OCS is a Microsoft >>>> Product. Microsoft purchased the technology that became Live >>>> Communications >>>> Server 2003 and released LCS2005 soon afterwards. OCS2007 is really more >>>> in >>>> the mode MS likes and OCS2007r2 included nice improvements. >>>> >>>> All the above said, OCS is a communications tool built on the SIP >>>> protocol and is constrained by that model ( >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session_Initiation_Protocol) and is not >>>> like email despite it being positioned next to Exchanage in the MS >>>> messaging >>>> suite. >>>> >>>> SIP leans more towards subscription and OCS overall is a messaging and >>>> presence tool. When you 'add a contact' you are really 'subscribing' to >>>> that contacts presence status. That person is so likely to be someone you >>>> interact with, that it is important that you are 'notified' of their >>>> presence status so that you can communicate more effectively with them. >>>> Everytime a person in your contacts status changes (away, in a meeting, >>>> busy, do not disturb) that change is 'pushed' to all clients with a >>>> subscription to that person. This adds load do the database and >>>> environment >>>> and I think the default contacts (subscriptions) per person is 100 (as in >>>> each person can have 100 people add them to their contact list, we've set >>>> ours to 200). If a person is not someone that you interact with on a >>>> regular basis, then why would you want them in your cntacts list? Just >>>> look >>>> them up in the address book or see their status in the latest email you got >>>> from them in Outlook. >>>> >>>> An example, I have in my contacts list all the members of my team and >>>> the two other windows team and associated managers. I have specific >>>> individuals from our help desk and the database team and a few people I >>>> lunch with and two project managers whose projects I am a resource on and I >>>> will remove the PMs as soon as the project is done (40 people). Anyone >>>> else, >>>> I get out of the address book, I don't normally care what their status' is. >>>> >>>> Distribution lists can be added to a persons contact list and these will >>>> update membership locally but generally these are client driven operations, >>>> not pushed out globally. There are tools/scripts to do this, but it's not >>>> generally how any of the tools in this space operate even though it can be >>>> done. When we first implemented it here some managers wanted to force a >>>> standard 'contacts' list to everyone but we were fortunatly able to brign >>>> them around and not do that. >>>> >>>> What are you looking to do? Force 'standard' contact lists? That will >>>> be an unfortunate adminstrative burden for you. >>>> >>>> Steven Peck >>>> http://www.blkmtn.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 6:17 AM, Cameron <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yep, the resource kit is installed and I've been looking at them. The >>>>> problem with trying to automate the jobs will be that I can't just do it >>>>> by >>>>> OU (to break the users into groups) unless I want to start moving people >>>>> around and verifying the GPO's against them. Though it may be something >>>>> I'll >>>>> do in the future to make the mgmt of this easier. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 9:02 AM, James Rankin >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> There are some wsf files in "c:\Program Files\Microsoft Office >>>>>> Communications Server 2007\ResKit\WMI Samples" that can help with some of >>>>>> the automated tasks, if you have the resource kit installed >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 15 April 2011 14:00, Cameron <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Ok..so it looks like I jumped to a conclusion that it would fully >>>>>>> integrate with AD seeing how it's a MS product. I *thought* that the >>>>>>> contacts were tied to AD and were pushed automatically based on some AD >>>>>>> setting. I've just started reading about this and can't believe how many >>>>>>> hoops you have to go through to push the contacts out, esp if you want >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> group them (not using OU's). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, at least it's Friday! >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Cameron >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Steven Peck <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Normaly OCS just runs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Recently I had a simliar issue after a data center power loss >>>>>>>> (maintenence work on UPS, cut back over to UPS, UPS went POP, server >>>>>>>> room >>>>>>>> went dark, team came in at 2am to power on very surprised servers [new >>>>>>>> UPS >>>>>>>> ordered, we have a trailer UPS wired in right now]) I had to nuke the >>>>>>>> files >>>>>>>> and syncnow to correct a corrupt address book issue. However, if your >>>>>>>> address book is working normally you will have a few hundred files like >>>>>>>> this. In my ABS directory I have 931 items dating back a little over >>>>>>>> 30 >>>>>>>> days. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> here's a link on how it works: >>>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee323492(office.13).aspx >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't understand the second question. OCS2007r2 will see >>>>>>>> distribution lists are groups in the address list all on it's own. If >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> mean something else let us know. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Steven Peck >>>>>>>> http://www.blkmtn.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Cameron < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Good morning all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> After knocking my head against various problems with the setup >>>>>>>>> (thank you very much Mr. Consultant). I now have them sorted, but I >>>>>>>>> have a >>>>>>>>> couple of questions. >>>>>>>>> 1. Can I delete all the created address book files (there are over >>>>>>>>> 500 Delta and Fulls) and then force an 'abserver -syncnow' to >>>>>>>>> recreate a >>>>>>>>> 'now' version of the gal? (yes I know I'd have to delete the >>>>>>>>> galcontacts.db >>>>>>>>> to get it to recreate). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2. The consultant somehow managed to create groups that the users >>>>>>>>> are being put in to, and I have NO idea where he did that. 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