I'll have to test in the office on Monday. On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Orland, Kathleen <[email protected]>wrote:
> Yeah. I complain about the syntax of your commands all the time, too. > > > > *From:* Cameron [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* 15 April 2011 16:08 > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: OT: OCS 2007 r2 > > > > Ok...I think I've finally got it figured...BUT...(of course there is always > a but....) How the heck do I delete a contact group that already exists? > > I've tried > > cscript lcsaddcontacts.wsf /userfiles:text.txt (contains only me) > /contactsgroup:listedgroup /delete > > > > it just complains and shows me the syntax of the command > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Steven Peck <[email protected]> wrote: > > I may have added to the confusion by being all wordy and less then precise. > > > > All of our teams have a team based distribution list are build > using #Name format and managed by the teams manager. So to make up some > names for example purposes > > #Windows Applications > > #Windows Infrastructure > > #Accounting > > #NE Sales > > #SW Sales > > #Management > > > > You can just have people add those 'identified/targetted' distribution > lists to the local Communicator contacts. The membership will dynamically > update. I still prefer my inidvidual lists, but as an alternative to > pushing out contacts and maintaining them via scheduled updates, you can > leverage existing distribution lists or make some up special for this > purpose and just tell people to add them via documentation. > > > > Steven Peck > > http://www.blkmtn.org > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Cameron <[email protected]> > wrote: > > You mention something interesting (we do have OCS2007r2)...target > distribution groups? Sounds like a much better way to go. > > Any pointers? > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Steven Peck <[email protected]> wrote: > > Ya, we created documentation on adding contacts and it became a manager > issue if they cared (LCS2005sp1 less tools) which it turns out they did > not. With OCS2007r2 you can just target distribution groups and their > membership will dynamically update so that may be a less painful route to > go. If posible, I would try to edge your management to away from 'mandated > minimum standard contacts'. > > > > Let's see, right now the average number of contacts per user here is 34.64 > (I wonder if being .64 of a contact hurts?). Our highest is 162 contacts. > > > > Good luck with that, some management teams seem enamored with the illusion > of top down dictates. > > > > Steven Peck > > http://www.blkmtn.org > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 9:16 AM, James Rankin <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I had to do that in a previous job. It can be done with those scripts but > it is fairly non-dynamic when it comes to updating users who have left, etc. > You could do it with some form of scripting querying AD but it's a big > fudge. > > In the end we opted to set up a script to auto-enable every user for OCS > and then simply allowed them to create their own contact groups. > Administratively it was a huge PITA to maintain these "contact sets". We put > together a document detailing how to set up contact groups, how to use OCS > for dialing people from Outlook, etc. and sent it to every user after they'd > been enabled for the software. In the long run this was probably more > productive. > > > > On 15 April 2011 17:12, Cameron <[email protected]> wrote: > > Actually...that's what I've been *asked* to setup...a minimum 'set' of > contacts from the various locations grouped by function, etc > > > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Steven Peck <[email protected]> wrote: > > OK wait, I think there is some confusion here. Yes, OCS is a Microsoft > Product. Microsoft purchased the technology that became Live Communications > Server 2003 and released LCS2005 soon afterwards. OCS2007 is really more in > the mode MS likes and OCS2007r2 included nice improvements. > > > > All the above said, OCS is a communications tool built on the SIP protocol > and is constrained by that model ( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session_Initiation_Protocol) and is not like > email despite it being positioned next to Exchanage in the MS messaging > suite. > > > > SIP leans more towards subscription and OCS overall is a messaging and > presence tool. When you 'add a contact' you are really 'subscribing' to > that contacts presence status. That person is so likely to be someone you > interact with, that it is important that you are 'notified' of their > presence status so that you can communicate more effectively with them. > Everytime a person in your contacts status changes (away, in a meeting, > busy, do not disturb) that change is 'pushed' to all clients with a > subscription to that person. This adds load do the database and environment > and I think the default contacts (subscriptions) per person is 100 (as in > each person can have 100 people add them to their contact list, we've set > ours to 200). If a person is not someone that you interact with on a > regular basis, then why would you want them in your cntacts list? Just look > them up in the address book or see their status in the latest email you got > from them in Outlook. > > > > An example, I have in my contacts list all the members of my team and the > two other windows team and associated managers. I have specific individuals > from our help desk and the database team and a few people I lunch with and > two project managers whose projects I am a resource on and I will remove the > PMs as soon as the project is done (40 people). Anyone else, I get out of > the address book, I don't normally care what their status' is. > > > > Distribution lists can be added to a persons contact list and these will > update membership locally but generally these are client driven operations, > not pushed out globally. There are tools/scripts to do this, but it's not > generally how any of the tools in this space operate even though it can be > done. When we first implemented it here some managers wanted to force a > standard 'contacts' list to everyone but we were fortunatly able to brign > them around and not do that. > > > > What are you looking to do? Force 'standard' contact lists? That will be > an unfortunate adminstrative burden for you. > > > > Steven Peck > > http://www.blkmtn.org > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 6:17 AM, Cameron <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yep, the resource kit is installed and I've been looking at them. The > problem with trying to automate the jobs will be that I can't just do it by > OU (to break the users into groups) unless I want to start moving people > around and verifying the GPO's against them. Though it may be something I'll > do in the future to make the mgmt of this easier. > > > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 9:02 AM, James Rankin <[email protected]> > wrote: > > There are some wsf files in "c:\Program Files\Microsoft Office > Communications Server 2007\ResKit\WMI Samples" that can help with some of > the automated tasks, if you have the resource kit installed > > > > On 15 April 2011 14:00, Cameron <[email protected]> wrote: > > Ok..so it looks like I jumped to a conclusion that it would fully integrate > with AD seeing how it's a MS product. I *thought* that the contacts were > tied to AD and were pushed automatically based on some AD setting. I've just > started reading about this and can't believe how many hoops you have to go > through to push the contacts out, esp if you want to group them (not using > OU's). > > > > Well, at least it's Friday! > > Cheers, > > Cameron > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Steven Peck <[email protected]> wrote: > > Normaly OCS just runs. > > > > Recently I had a simliar issue after a data center power loss (maintenence > work on UPS, cut back over to UPS, UPS went POP, server room went dark, team > came in at 2am to power on very surprised servers [new UPS ordered, we have > a trailer UPS wired in right now]) I had to nuke the files and syncnow to > correct a corrupt address book issue. However, if your address book is > working normally you will have a few hundred files like this. In my ABS > directory I have 931 items dating back a little over 30 days. > > > > here's a link on how it works: > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee323492(office.13).aspx > > > > I don't understand the second question. OCS2007r2 will see distribution > lists are groups in the address list all on it's own. If you mean something > else let us know. > > > > Steven Peck > > http://www.blkmtn.org > > On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Cameron <[email protected]> wrote: > > Good morning all, > > > > After knocking my head against various problems with the setup (thank you > very much Mr. Consultant). I now have them sorted, but I have a couple of > questions. > > 1. Can I delete all the created address book files (there are over 500 > Delta and Fulls) and then force an 'abserver -syncnow' to recreate a 'now' > version of the gal? (yes I know I'd have to delete the galcontacts.db to get > it to recreate). > > > > 2. The consultant somehow managed to create groups that the users are being > put in to, and I have NO idea where he did that. 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