"Your only legitimate comment regarding pricing is when the /reseller/ doesn't post pricing."
That's what I'm referring to, and it is quite common because they want to get you into a conversation with a sales person where they can try to persuade you that there is a real business case for buying their product. Obviously I'm not talking about commodity products that you can find on Amazon. What's the point? If I'm looking for a product to meet a specific need and I have a budget of say two thousand, and I see that a particular solution is listed at twenty thousand, I don't care what the discount is it's not going to be an option for me. I can skip it. When no prices are listed, I either have to contact the sales department to get more information, or just skip it. My personal experience is that whenever I have contacted sales I find it is priced out of my range, and I often end up getting repeated sales contacts from the company, even years later. A waste of my time and theirs. If I can't find an acceptable solution that I know is at least close to my budget then I'll go back and contact those companies. ________________________________ From: Gary Slinger [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 11:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Color issues LOL. You have yet to see me "irritated to the extreme" or "aggravated". You also have a flawed procurement policy. Read the other posts that were made. Your only legitimate comment regarding pricing is when the /reseller/ doesn't post pricing. That's just silly. Even if/when a manufacturer posts prices - for instance, Microsoft - what's the point? Who pays retail? On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Ralph Smith <[email protected]> wrote: Hey Gary, Based on your often vitriolic responses to John's posts, he obviously irritates you to an extreme. Why don't you just filter out his posts and save yourself the aggravation? To quote Stu's often repeated mantra, "Remember: on topic, no noise, FRIENDLY." At the risk of earning your contempt myself I generally agree with John in regards to companies that don't post their prices on their web sites. That's surely their choice and part of their sales strategy, but for me, working at a non-profit with a very small budget, I have learned to just pass them by. Many times in the past I have inquired with them for pricing information, and nearly 100% of the time the results have been that they are well out of the realm of possibility for me. For companies that don't sell direct, the same applies if pricing is not available on their reseller's sites either. This is of course for products that fall into the category of "would be really nice to have", not mission critical applications or devices. Ralph Smith > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Slinger [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 4:21 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Color issues > > Hey, I've joked before that my role of supervising engineers is like > teaching kindergarten. > > Well today, even more so. It's remedial level IT procurement tuition day > :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Steven M. Caesare" <[email protected]> > Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:09:44 > To: NT System Admin Issues<[email protected]> > Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" <[email protected] > software.com>Subject: RE: Color issues > > The issue is not requiring spoonfeeding. > > -sc > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Aldrich [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 4:08 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Color issues > > You go to the car dealership and see a car you like. If there were no > sticker in the window saying how much it cost would you A) Go ask B) walk > off the lot? I've always operated under the attitude of "if I have to ask, > it's too much." Checking the price, it appears that ColorMunki is more > expensive. That being said it's made by Pantone, the folks who make the > color charts, so that may be something to consider as well. > > > > From: Gary Slinger [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 3:22 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Color issues > > Are you fscking shitting me? > > I can't even be bothered to wrap this in a just fscking google it: > > http://www.google.com/search?q=colormunki&tbs=shop%3A1&aq=f > > Here, even easier: > > http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field- > keywords > =colormunki > > On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 2:42 PM, John Aldrich > <[email protected]> > wrote: > Thanks... I looked at ColorMunki, but I didn't see a price. That scares > me. :D At least with the Spyders, I know up-front what it costs. :D > > > > From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 2:36 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Color issues > > +1 on the Spyders. They are very popular in the pro-photographer crowd. > > -- > ME2 > > > > > On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Kennedy, Jim > <[email protected]> wrote: > You have to calibrate the monitor. I do this for my photography. I have > always preferred the Spyder calibrators but there are others. > > http://spyder.datacolor.com/product-mc.php > > Now, you have one more variable. Is your camera accurately capturing the > color and is your software properly interpreting the data in the image. > Probably not. So you calibrate the monitor....but you display a picture > that has bad color data. Only way to get it near perfect is to shoot a > color card next to the carpet sample....then adjust the image in photoshop > so the color card colors are correct. > > However, if you skip the color card step you should be pretty darn close > with a decent camera and proper lighting. > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Aldrich [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 1:53 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Color issues > > Our marketing guy is also our product design guy. He's got some special > software that allows him to take a carpet pattern and make a picture of > what it should look like. We then post that picture on our website. One of > the managers was complaining because the colors don't match up to the > actual sample. I have tried to explain to him that it will vary quite a > bit depending on the type of machine and monitor you're looking at the > picture on. We showed the same picture on four different monitors hooked > up to two different machines and got four different colors, a couple of > them dramatically different from the other 2. Two of the monitors were > Dell LCD desktop monitors, one was a Dell XPS laptop screen, the 4th was > an IBM flat panel. It was the darkest and "greenest" even after resetting > the monitor to the factory specs using the on-board reset. > Now that I've explained the problem... any suggestions on how to get > things so that they closely approximate the actual product? > > > > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ > <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to [email protected] > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ > <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to [email protected] > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ > <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to [email protected] > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ > <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to [email protected] > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > > > -- > Gary K. 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