Sorry, not acceptable. We'll require your first born as payment for our difficulties :)
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Fergal Byrne <[email protected]> wrote: > You're good (I can't trust mails from my phone, so I feel your pain). > We'll just stay on the main thread if we can. > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Matt Lind <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Fergal: Sorry about that. There seems to be a problem with mailman and >> yahoo-mail (even when sending in plain text the msg is forwarded as a >> mime-attachment). I switched accounts, hope it's fine now. >> >> ------------------ 原始邮件 ------------------ >> *发件人:* "Fergal Byrne";<[email protected]>; >> *发送时间:* 2015年6月6日(星期六) 凌晨0:06 >> *收件人:* "Matt Lind"<[email protected]>; >> *抄送:* "Matt Lind"<[email protected]>; >> *主题:* Re: >> >> This thread is broken. I've answered both of you in the original thread. >> >> On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Chandan Maruthi < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> The Time-Bombed license is exactly what it sounds like. From a >>> legal\risk perspective i would be a strict no for anyone willing to invest >>> in a company that uses such IP at its core. What is the guarantee that the >>> founding team will be able to replace the core IP with something >>> proprietary when they reach the time limit. Even more customers will not >>> want to have anything to do with your internal IP licensing and having a >>> risk of open sourcing their products . >>> >>> All I would say is, keep it simple. Take X % upfront and get done with >>> it. keep the X% so low that people dont really care . But the X% across >>> hundreds of companies adds up really quick. If some one does not want to >>> give the X% then may be have other models. When a company is founded or 6 >>> months old there is no way you can value it. Its just a >>> time/opportunity/risk decision anyway. Then why waste time trying to have a >>> case to case discussion everytime. A lot of people may not even come to the >>> table to discuss and may just go the other way. >>> >>> >>> Chandan >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 6:43 AM, Matt Lind via nupic < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: Matt Lind <[email protected]> >>>> To: "NuPIC general mailing list." <[email protected]> >>>> Cc: >>>> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2015 21:43:19 +0800 >>>> Subject: Re: New Dual-licensing Idea: Time-Bombed Open License >>>> The best thing about it is its name, time bomb. Because that's exactly >>>> what it is. And I don't think any developer, or customer, would feel >>>> comfortable sitting on one. Besides, it'd be difficult to implement, >>>> operationally (when exactly do the 2-4 years start? When you download the >>>> GPL? Start coding? Sell to customer? Customer starts using it?, ..) and >>>> legally (what exactly are you selling to your customer?). So, it's a nice >>>> thought experiment, but my guess is, it's not realistic. >>>> >>>> Matt >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 05 Jun 2015, at 21:09, Fergal Byrne <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> No such thing as a stupid question David, just the ones you don't ask! >>>> This is a (barely) 4-day old idea, so it'll have wrinkles. Please test to >>>> destruction. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Fergal Byrne < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> If you're a small startup, and you want to build an Open Source >>>>> project so that you have extra help developing it, you're currently stuck >>>>> never earning money directly from the product (you're reduced to secondary >>>>> income from support, consultancy and so on). You might not have the >>>>> resources to build it all yourself (we don't all live in the Valley and >>>>> have the ears of investors), and developing your own commercial license is >>>>> tricky and expensive. >>>>> >>>>> This idea gives you a chance to combine the best of both, and avoid >>>>> the worst. It also reassures investors that your customers will not be >>>>> lost >>>>> in the event your startup fails, because it reverts to an open source >>>>> project. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 2:02 PM, cogmission (David Ray) < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hmmm. Then I don't see the advantage? It's like having your >>>>>> intellectual property torn out from under you after 4 years? :P lol! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 7:48 AM, Fergal Byrne < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> No, that's exactly what it says you can't do! You have to go 100% >>>>>>> Open Source after 2-4 years, you have to monetize before then. On the >>>>>>> other >>>>>>> hand, you can start again with a new major version of your product, but >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> old version will have to have been fully opened up. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 1:43 PM, cogmission (David Ray) < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Assuming the business in question is fully able to monetize their >>>>>>>> initial offering within 4 years, they could then (after being bombed >>>>>>>> :-P) >>>>>>>> opt for a full commercial license with full fees. I like it! It offers >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> way to charge a minimal affordable fee initially while the business >>>>>>>> model >>>>>>>> awaits confirmation - while still offering the original rights owner >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> ability to capitalize later when affordable by the customer. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Interesting... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 7:26 AM, Fergal Byrne < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi guys, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> After a wonderful weekend at the hackathon, Richard Crowder and I >>>>>>>>> were brainstorming as we walked around Manhattan on Monday. We came >>>>>>>>> up with >>>>>>>>> a new (or new twist on an) idea for dual Open Source/Commercial >>>>>>>>> projects. >>>>>>>>> We call it the Time-bombed Open License [1]. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The idea is that you release your software under something >>>>>>>>> strongly copylefted like the GPL for non-commercial use. For >>>>>>>>> commercial >>>>>>>>> users (who often can't use GPL software inside their own codebase or >>>>>>>>> business), you charge a fee to absolve the customer from all the GPL >>>>>>>>> obligations, but with a catch. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Your ability to operate the commercial license is time-bombed for >>>>>>>>> 2-4 years, after which time it becomes fully GPL (or whichever your >>>>>>>>> OSS >>>>>>>>> license is). This is transitive, so your customers must also start a >>>>>>>>> time-bomb of the same length. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We'd welcome feedback on this idea from you guys, and wonder would >>>>>>>>> this be of interest for Numenta's commercial license for NuPIC? It >>>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>>> also be worth thinking about for nupic-community projects (this would >>>>>>>>> involve Numenta granting commercialisation rights to these projects). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Fergal Byrne >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [1] http://occupystartups.me >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Fergal Byrne, Brenter IT >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://inbits.com - Better Living through Thoughtful Technology >>>>>>>>> http://ie.linkedin.com/in/fergbyrne/ - >>>>>>>>> https://github.com/fergalbyrne >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Founder of Clortex: HTM in Clojure - >>>>>>>>> https://github.com/nupic-community/clortex >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Author, Real Machine Intelligence with Clortex and NuPIC >>>>>>>>> Read for free or buy the book at >>>>>>>>> https://leanpub.com/realsmartmachines >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> e:[email protected] t:+353 83 4214179 >>>>>>>>> Join the quest for Machine Intelligence at http://numenta.org >>>>>>>>> Formerly of Adnet [email protected] http://www.adnet.ie >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> *With kind regards,* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> David Ray >>>>>>>> Java Solutions Architect >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Cortical.io <http://cortical.io/>* >>>>>>>> Sponsor of: HTM.java <https://github.com/numenta/htm.java> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> http://cortical.io >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Fergal Byrne, Brenter IT >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://inbits.com - Better Living through Thoughtful Technology >>>>>>> http://ie.linkedin.com/in/fergbyrne/ - >>>>>>> https://github.com/fergalbyrne >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Founder of Clortex: HTM in Clojure - >>>>>>> https://github.com/nupic-community/clortex >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Author, Real Machine Intelligence with Clortex and NuPIC >>>>>>> Read for free or buy the book at >>>>>>> https://leanpub.com/realsmartmachines >>>>>>> >>>>>>> e:[email protected] t:+353 83 4214179 >>>>>>> Join the quest for Machine Intelligence at http://numenta.org >>>>>>> Formerly of Adnet [email protected] http://www.adnet.ie >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> *With kind regards,* >>>>>> >>>>>> David Ray >>>>>> Java Solutions Architect >>>>>> >>>>>> *Cortical.io <http://cortical.io/>* >>>>>> Sponsor of: HTM.java <https://github.com/numenta/htm.java> >>>>>> >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://cortical.io >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Fergal Byrne, Brenter IT >>>>> >>>>> http://inbits.com - Better Living through Thoughtful Technology >>>>> http://ie.linkedin.com/in/fergbyrne/ - https://github.com/fergalbyrne >>>>> >>>>> Founder of Clortex: HTM in Clojure - >>>>> https://github.com/nupic-community/clortex >>>>> >>>>> Author, Real Machine Intelligence with Clortex and NuPIC >>>>> Read for free or buy the book at https://leanpub.com/realsmartmachines >>>>> >>>>> e:[email protected] t:+353 83 4214179 >>>>> Join the quest for Machine Intelligence at http://numenta.org >>>>> Formerly of Adnet [email protected] http://www.adnet.ie >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Fergal Byrne, Brenter IT >>>> >>>> http://inbits.com - Better Living through Thoughtful Technology >>>> http://ie.linkedin.com/in/fergbyrne/ - https://github.com/fergalbyrne >>>> >>>> Founder of Clortex: HTM in Clojure - >>>> https://github.com/nupic-community/clortex >>>> >>>> Author, Real Machine Intelligence with Clortex and NuPIC >>>> Read for free or buy the book at https://leanpub.com/realsmartmachines >>>> >>>> e:[email protected] t:+353 83 4214179 >>>> Join the quest for Machine Intelligence at http://numenta.org >>>> Formerly of Adnet [email protected] http://www.adnet.ie >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Regards >>> Chandan Maruthi >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Fergal Byrne, Brenter IT @fergbyrne >> >> http://inbits.com - Better Living through Thoughtful Technology >> http://ie.linkedin.com/in/fergbyrne/ - https://github.com/fergalbyrne >> >> Founder of Clortex: HTM in Clojure - >> https://github.com/nupic-community/clortex >> Co-creator @OccupyStartups Time-Bombed Open License >> http://occupystartups.me >> >> Author, Real Machine Intelligence with Clortex and NuPIC >> Read for free or buy the book at https://leanpub.com/realsmartmachines >> >> e:[email protected] t:+353 83 4214179 >> Join the quest for Machine Intelligence at http://numenta.org >> Formerly of Adnet [email protected] http://www.adnet.ie >> > > > > -- > > Fergal Byrne, Brenter IT @fergbyrne > > http://inbits.com - Better Living through Thoughtful Technology > http://ie.linkedin.com/in/fergbyrne/ - https://github.com/fergalbyrne > > Founder of Clortex: HTM in Clojure - > https://github.com/nupic-community/clortex > Co-creator @OccupyStartups Time-Bombed Open License > http://occupystartups.me > > Author, Real Machine Intelligence with Clortex and NuPIC > Read for free or buy the book at https://leanpub.com/realsmartmachines > > e:[email protected] t:+353 83 4214179 > Join the quest for Machine Intelligence at http://numenta.org > Formerly of Adnet [email protected] http://www.adnet.ie > -- *With kind regards,* David Ray Java Solutions Architect *Cortical.io <http://cortical.io/>* Sponsor of: HTM.java <https://github.com/numenta/htm.java> [email protected] http://cortical.io
