Opps sorry about that. Will check the original thread On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 9:06 AM, Fergal Byrne <[email protected]> wrote:
> This thread is broken. I've answered both of you in the original thread. > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Chandan Maruthi <[email protected] > > wrote: > >> The Time-Bombed license is exactly what it sounds like. From a legal\risk >> perspective i would be a strict no for anyone willing to invest in a >> company that uses such IP at its core. What is the guarantee that the >> founding team will be able to replace the core IP with something >> proprietary when they reach the time limit. Even more customers will not >> want to have anything to do with your internal IP licensing and having a >> risk of open sourcing their products . >> >> All I would say is, keep it simple. Take X % upfront and get done with >> it. keep the X% so low that people dont really care . But the X% across >> hundreds of companies adds up really quick. If some one does not want to >> give the X% then may be have other models. When a company is founded or 6 >> months old there is no way you can value it. Its just a >> time/opportunity/risk decision anyway. Then why waste time trying to have a >> case to case discussion everytime. A lot of people may not even come to the >> table to discuss and may just go the other way. >> >> >> Chandan >> >> On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 6:43 AM, Matt Lind via nupic < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Matt Lind <[email protected]> >>> To: "NuPIC general mailing list." <[email protected]> >>> Cc: >>> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2015 21:43:19 +0800 >>> Subject: Re: New Dual-licensing Idea: Time-Bombed Open License >>> The best thing about it is its name, time bomb. Because that's exactly >>> what it is. And I don't think any developer, or customer, would feel >>> comfortable sitting on one. Besides, it'd be difficult to implement, >>> operationally (when exactly do the 2-4 years start? When you download the >>> GPL? Start coding? Sell to customer? Customer starts using it?, ..) and >>> legally (what exactly are you selling to your customer?). So, it's a nice >>> thought experiment, but my guess is, it's not realistic. >>> >>> Matt >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 05 Jun 2015, at 21:09, Fergal Byrne <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> No such thing as a stupid question David, just the ones you don't ask! >>> This is a (barely) 4-day old idea, so it'll have wrinkles. Please test to >>> destruction. >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Fergal Byrne < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> If you're a small startup, and you want to build an Open Source project >>>> so that you have extra help developing it, you're currently stuck never >>>> earning money directly from the product (you're reduced to secondary income >>>> from support, consultancy and so on). You might not have the resources to >>>> build it all yourself (we don't all live in the Valley and have the ears of >>>> investors), and developing your own commercial license is tricky and >>>> expensive. >>>> >>>> This idea gives you a chance to combine the best of both, and avoid the >>>> worst. It also reassures investors that your customers will not be lost in >>>> the event your startup fails, because it reverts to an open source project. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 2:02 PM, cogmission (David Ray) < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hmmm. Then I don't see the advantage? It's like having your >>>>> intellectual property torn out from under you after 4 years? :P lol! >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 7:48 AM, Fergal Byrne < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> No, that's exactly what it says you can't do! You have to go 100% >>>>>> Open Source after 2-4 years, you have to monetize before then. On the >>>>>> other >>>>>> hand, you can start again with a new major version of your product, but >>>>>> the >>>>>> old version will have to have been fully opened up. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 1:43 PM, cogmission (David Ray) < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Assuming the business in question is fully able to monetize their >>>>>>> initial offering within 4 years, they could then (after being bombed >>>>>>> :-P) >>>>>>> opt for a full commercial license with full fees. I like it! It offers a >>>>>>> way to charge a minimal affordable fee initially while the business >>>>>>> model >>>>>>> awaits confirmation - while still offering the original rights owner the >>>>>>> ability to capitalize later when affordable by the customer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Interesting... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 7:26 AM, Fergal Byrne < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi guys, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> After a wonderful weekend at the hackathon, Richard Crowder and I >>>>>>>> were brainstorming as we walked around Manhattan on Monday. We came up >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> a new (or new twist on an) idea for dual Open Source/Commercial >>>>>>>> projects. >>>>>>>> We call it the Time-bombed Open License [1]. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The idea is that you release your software under something strongly >>>>>>>> copylefted like the GPL for non-commercial use. For commercial users >>>>>>>> (who >>>>>>>> often can't use GPL software inside their own codebase or business), >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> charge a fee to absolve the customer from all the GPL obligations, but >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> a catch. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your ability to operate the commercial license is time-bombed for >>>>>>>> 2-4 years, after which time it becomes fully GPL (or whichever your OSS >>>>>>>> license is). This is transitive, so your customers must also start a >>>>>>>> time-bomb of the same length. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We'd welcome feedback on this idea from you guys, and wonder would >>>>>>>> this be of interest for Numenta's commercial license for NuPIC? It >>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>> also be worth thinking about for nupic-community projects (this would >>>>>>>> involve Numenta granting commercialisation rights to these projects). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fergal Byrne >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [1] http://occupystartups.me >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fergal Byrne, Brenter IT >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://inbits.com - Better Living through Thoughtful Technology >>>>>>>> http://ie.linkedin.com/in/fergbyrne/ - >>>>>>>> https://github.com/fergalbyrne >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Founder of Clortex: HTM in Clojure - >>>>>>>> https://github.com/nupic-community/clortex >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Author, Real Machine Intelligence with Clortex and NuPIC >>>>>>>> Read for free or buy the book at >>>>>>>> https://leanpub.com/realsmartmachines >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> e:[email protected] t:+353 83 4214179 >>>>>>>> Join the quest for Machine Intelligence at http://numenta.org >>>>>>>> Formerly of Adnet [email protected] http://www.adnet.ie >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> *With kind regards,* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> David Ray >>>>>>> Java Solutions Architect >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Cortical.io <http://cortical.io/>* >>>>>>> Sponsor of: HTM.java <https://github.com/numenta/htm.java> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> http://cortical.io >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Fergal Byrne, Brenter IT >>>>>> >>>>>> http://inbits.com - Better Living through Thoughtful Technology >>>>>> http://ie.linkedin.com/in/fergbyrne/ - https://github.com/fergalbyrne >>>>>> >>>>>> Founder of Clortex: HTM in Clojure - >>>>>> https://github.com/nupic-community/clortex >>>>>> >>>>>> Author, Real Machine Intelligence with Clortex and NuPIC >>>>>> Read for free or buy the book at >>>>>> https://leanpub.com/realsmartmachines >>>>>> >>>>>> e:[email protected] t:+353 83 4214179 >>>>>> Join the quest for Machine Intelligence at http://numenta.org >>>>>> Formerly of Adnet [email protected] http://www.adnet.ie >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> *With kind regards,* >>>>> >>>>> David Ray >>>>> Java Solutions Architect >>>>> >>>>> *Cortical.io <http://cortical.io/>* >>>>> Sponsor of: HTM.java <https://github.com/numenta/htm.java> >>>>> >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://cortical.io >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Fergal Byrne, Brenter IT >>>> >>>> http://inbits.com - Better Living through Thoughtful Technology >>>> http://ie.linkedin.com/in/fergbyrne/ - https://github.com/fergalbyrne >>>> >>>> Founder of Clortex: HTM in Clojure - >>>> https://github.com/nupic-community/clortex >>>> >>>> Author, Real Machine Intelligence with Clortex and NuPIC >>>> Read for free or buy the book at https://leanpub.com/realsmartmachines >>>> >>>> e:[email protected] t:+353 83 4214179 >>>> Join the quest for Machine Intelligence at http://numenta.org >>>> Formerly of Adnet [email protected] http://www.adnet.ie >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Fergal Byrne, Brenter IT >>> >>> http://inbits.com - Better Living through Thoughtful Technology >>> http://ie.linkedin.com/in/fergbyrne/ - https://github.com/fergalbyrne >>> >>> Founder of Clortex: HTM in Clojure - >>> https://github.com/nupic-community/clortex >>> >>> Author, Real Machine Intelligence with Clortex and NuPIC >>> Read for free or buy the book at https://leanpub.com/realsmartmachines >>> >>> e:[email protected] t:+353 83 4214179 >>> Join the quest for Machine Intelligence at http://numenta.org >>> Formerly of Adnet [email protected] http://www.adnet.ie >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Regards >> Chandan Maruthi >> >> > > > -- > > Fergal Byrne, Brenter IT @fergbyrne > > http://inbits.com - Better Living through Thoughtful Technology > http://ie.linkedin.com/in/fergbyrne/ - https://github.com/fergalbyrne > > Founder of Clortex: HTM in Clojure - > https://github.com/nupic-community/clortex > Co-creator @OccupyStartups Time-Bombed Open License > http://occupystartups.me > > Author, Real Machine Intelligence with Clortex and NuPIC > Read for free or buy the book at https://leanpub.com/realsmartmachines > > e:[email protected] t:+353 83 4214179 > Join the quest for Machine Intelligence at http://numenta.org > Formerly of Adnet [email protected] http://www.adnet.ie > -- Regards Chandan Maruthi
