Hello Jack,

erm... the winner is sidney mwahahah :)

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Sunday, September 22, 2002, 12:13:56 AM, you wrote:

JU> Hello evilbunny,

JU> Passive repeaters do get the creative juices going. If we had more 802.11b power
JU> to work with we could have more fun with them.

JU> For those who might wish to put an image with the "periscope antenna" name, here's
JU> a link to a periscope antenna drawing.
JU> http://exadios.d2.net.au/Wireless/Antennas/periscope.html

JU> We can see these in the U.S. along some railroad lines. They're the towers with a
JU> flat reflector at the top that is
JU> angled at 45 degrees.

JU> BTW, I looked at your www.sidneywireless.com website. All I can say is "very, very
JU> nice".

JU> jack



JU> evilbunny wrote:

>> Hello Jack,
>>
>> Passive repeaters have been done to death on other lists I'm on, some
>> of the guys even giving very in depth reasons into why they won't work
>> and what cringly said was a load... in any case I just thought it was
>> interesting...
>>
>> The only time it might work, and for those of you worried about
>> lightning etc, I saw a passive repeater (flat surface too) used in a
>> periscope design, it served to increase height while decreasing cable
>> runs...
>>
>> and there was one other design, the top was basically a cone and
>> turned a directional signal into omni...
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>>  evilbunny                            mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> http://www.SydneyWireless.com - Exercise your communications
>> freedom to make it do what you never thought possible...
>>
>> Saturday, September 21, 2002, 4:45:03 AM, you wrote:
>>
>> JU> Well... it depends. (Depends on what, you ask...)
>>
>> JU> It depends on the distance - the total distance from one radio
>> JU> to the passive repeater and then to the other radio.
>> JU> Briefly put:
>> JU> a) The good news - A passive repeater can help you fill in or extend
>> JU> coverage
>> JU> to an area that has a blocked line-of-sight path. This could be helpful
>> JU> say, in
>> JU> NYC where you need coverage around a corner, for example.
>> JU> b) The bad news - The signal loss with a passive repeater is very high.
>> JU> With low power license-free 802.11b equipment (unlike licensed microwave
>> JU> equipment) we can't just increase the power to make up for the passive
>> JU> repeater
>> JU> losses. Unless the total end-to-end distance is very short, the passive
>> JU> repeater losses
>> JU> mean that not enough signal will reach the far end.
>>
>> JU> In conclusion, if you do decide to experiment with a passive repeater, I'd
>> JU> suggest
>> JU> using not a single flat plane (like in your embedded link) but a pair of
>> JU> high-gain 2.4 GHz
>> JU> antennas connected back-to-back with a short length of low-loss coax.
>>
>> JU> If you need more help calculating the actual amount of signal that will
>> JU> make it
>> JU> to the far end (the link budget), get hold of me off-line.
>>
>> JU> jack
>>
>> JU> evilbunny wrote:
>>
>> >> Hello ptp,
>> >>
>> >>   passive repeaters anyone?
>> >>
>> >>   http://www.qsl.net/n9zia/pics/passive_repeater.jpg
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Best regards,
>> >>  evilbunny                          mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >>
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