On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> > 4) Call up Speakeasy (800-556-5829).  Tell them that you need a ADSL
> >    circuit on a separate line because your line is on a loop concentrator.
> >    They should be more than willing to work with you on this one, unlike
> >    VZ.  It does require a truck roll, so that does mean higher upfront
> >    cost.  But it'll be cheaper than SDSL/ADSL, and probably faster.  Oh,
> >    and feel free to refer my account (starfox) if you go this route.
> When there's no copper - you are screwed one way or the other.  The only
> way VZ will pull new copper is by SDSL or T1 order.
>

Not true, if they have pairs for a SDSL/T1, then they can fulfill a dark
pair order.  The ILEC doesn't know what the CLEC is going to run on it,
and they shouldn't care.

If you really want to find out about the "copper shortage" situtation, you
can always flag down a neighborhood lineman.  They are the ones that can
tell you upfront if there is an actual shortage, or the VZHQ is spouting
its propoganda.

Kevin "Starfox" Arima
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