> > When there's no copper - you are screwed one way or the other.  The only
> > way VZ will pull new copper is by SDSL or T1 order.
>
> Not true, if they have pairs for a SDSL/T1, then they can fulfill a dark
> pair order.  The ILEC doesn't know what the CLEC is going to run on it,
> and they shouldn't care.
>
> If you really want to find out about the "copper shortage" situtation, you
> can always flag down a neighborhood lineman.  They are the ones that can
> tell you upfront if there is an actual shortage, or the VZHQ is spouting
> its propoganda.

What they might end up doing is re-testing a pair that has been marked as
bad in the past.  Sometimes they re-test with less stringent quality
tests, just because they are so short of pairs. So they might give you a
pair to shut you up, but it may end up being crap.

Here in Boston, I have dealt with being on the crappy end of Cambridge,
and let me tell you Verizon just doesn't have its act together, or are
just plain old being cheap. It took over a year to get a T1 that would
work reasonably well. This should serve as a word of caution to anyone
shopping for real estate: make sure the location isn't a bandwidth slum.

Of course this is one of the major reasons why wireless data has become
popular. I bet there's not nearly as much 802.11b activity in Stockholm,
where you get 10mb cable internet access for 37 Euros. And it works.

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