Rubin,
I appreciate your statements regarding Jim. He certainly sounds like
a paid lackey of the telco lobbyists. But who knows?
I don't agree with his point of view. And he sounds logical and
sensible until you read his punchline. And frankly, this is the type
of double-speak that private lobbyists are good at... leading you
along a logical, sensible path each step of the way, until you take
that last step off the cliff.
But frankly, this is an open forum, and even though I don't agree
with Jim, and even if he is paid by the other side (who I don't
really look at as the other side; I'd be very happy to have a
constructive conversation with everyone being honest about their
motivations and without all the astroturf statements), he is allowed
to post here, and will continue to be allowed to express his opinion.
And just so that everyone is clear on this: NYCwireless receives NO
FUNDING other than individual membership fees, and no board members
work for or receive payment directly from cablecos or telcos or any
political or lobbying organizations. Our opinions are exactly that:
our personal opinions. And the statements made in NYCwireless' name
are motivated and made independently from any other organization,
political or otherwise.
Dana Spiegel
Executive Director
NYCwireless
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.NYCwireless.net
+1 917 402 0422
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On Mar 16, 2006, at 7:37 AM, Ruben Safir wrote:
On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 00:50 -0500, Dana Spiegel wrote:
Again, Jim, you love to mis-represent.
If *you* understood how our economy functions, you'd know that what
would happen if these companies went belly up would be that, after a
short period of dark time, lots of little companies would be formed
(some non-profits like NYCwireless, in fact), that would start to
provide the missing service. Many of these companies would be started
by and employ many of the same technicians and engineers that were
abandoned when their bosses ran their telco and cableco companies
into the ground. Soon, there would be many companies competing,
buying up the (now cheap) resources of the rotting carcasses of those
old telco and cablecos, and putting the existing infrastructure back
to use, but running it in a more efficient manner.
This is what Joseph Schumpeter, a great economist, called "Creative
Destruction". It is the way healthy economies and competitive
marketplaces work.
Dana
Overnight I've given this thread some serious consideration.
When I ran the lists for NYLXS and NYFairUse there have been times
when
paid lobbyest and an disruptor's by the copyright industry had been on
the mailing list. Sometimes they are just collecting data for
later use
in testimony and courts. At other times they have used the
maillists as
tools to sharpen they're arguments for the public and congressional
hearings, or to do blatant lobbying on the list.
These are paid commercial interests on the list and should not be
viewed
as individual members. With regard to their arguments on the list,
they
could care less about the issues, only the paycheck. It is this
kind of
relentless lobbying and paid for advertising that gives commercial
interests a ridicules advantage that they have in public discourse.
They relentlessly stay on message and relentlessly argue and
misrepresent their cases 24/7.
I'd recommend that you remove this person from the list. I don't make
this recommendation lightly. In fact, in over a decade, it is
unprecedented for me to make a public request such as this on someone
elses list to ban anyone. But in this case, your not banning an
individual, or even curbing speech on the list, but just eliminating a
hired disruptor who is hired with hard cash to oppose the goals of
your
organization.
Sincerly
Ruben Safir
President NYLXS
Founder of NY Fair Use
Dana Spiegel
Executive Director
NYCwireless
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.NYCwireless.net
+1 917 402 0422
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