I agree with Nick here. What really matters is results. Good standards and best practice is important for stability and longevity, but I take the same approach that you have to make an impact with what you have. Otherwise, whats the point?
For example, back in the day, those marketing gurus made lots of money on the internet (if making money is your thing) and their sites looked like crust... some of them also had lots of typos and they even said they decided to "leave them in" because it made the site more real and down to earth. Dont take me wrong, I agree with making something robust, standardized, scalable etc, but I also believe that if you create something for a client and it achieves no results (albiet perfect code underneath) then, you've wasted your clients time (and your time) and money. On Mar 17, 3:17 pm, Nick Jenkin <[email protected]> wrote: > Users don't care if your html is valid (except maybe, developers, but > they do not represent the general population). If you want to waste > hours of time making a site valid, then go for it - but I'd be a > pretty pissed off customer if I was paying for it, and while gaining > absolutely zero ROI. I'd rather you spend that time *actually testing* > the site on different web browsers, after-all as I'm sure you are all > aware, a valid site != a working site. A shipped product is more > valuable than a perfect one. > -Nick > > On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Bruce Clement > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > I've been using this quote in my signature file for a while. Today I > > think I'll headline with it. > > > "Before attempting to create something new, it is vital to have a good > > appreciation of everything that already exists in this field." Mikhail > > Kalashnikov > > > This forum is populated by experienced php developers who use php and > > W3C standards to generate real-world websites. They exchange useful > > information and help each other out. Even if you think you know > > better, standards are important, and just saying that a standards > > validator is "Stupid" only shows how much you have to learn. The > > reason standards are important here is because a standards compliant > > website has a greater chance of working with as yet unreleased browser > > versions than a non-compliant one has. > > > You got one reply to your posting about your site giving what I > > consider to be pointing out a basic and easy to fix problem which you > > replied 3 times to with increasing levels of petulance. > > > According to my records this thread is the second time you've posted > > on this forum. The other being a one liner "2 hrs to research find out > > how, and implement" comment on another thread. Giving you constructive > > criticism on your site as Boyd did is hardly tall poppy. In this list, > > you are not a tall poppy, people like Jochen, Harvey, and Aaron > > (amongst others) are and they don't rant and rave when people point > > out mistakes they make. > > > I'm a database & back-end developer, not a website designer, so > > there's no point complaining about my sites, but I am currently the > > customer for having a few dozen of my domain names developed into > > small websites. The people I'm working with on this project are mature > > adults who accept a task and deliver to spec (or they stop getting > > commissions). If one of them told me they wouldn't use a dictionary > > because it was stupid they would get no further work. I expect basic > > things like spelling and grammar from content writers, W3C compliance > > from web developers and laces in shoes; if I don't get them I spend my > > money elsewhere. > > > Last I was looking to hire a web developer I looked critically at > > their website on the basis that their own website is their advert and > > should represent their best possible work. This wasn't just a surface > > examination, I carefully examined their html as well. If it wasn't of > > the required quality I simply moved along. > > > Bruce > > > On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 9:46 AM, vincenz2004 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> p.s. My site renders 4 errors on your checksum validator (which I dont > >> use cause its stupid). > >> and facebook.com gets 40 errors... > > >>http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http://www.facebook.com > > >> Why dont you write to facebook and teach them how to write valid code > >> too? > > >> On Mar 15, 12:23 pm, Boyd <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> cutting edge is great, but so is getting the basics right, how about > >>> valid html for a start > > >>>http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mediacre... > > >>> On Mar 15, 11:49 am, vincenz2004 <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> > Hi all, > > >>> > We would like to offer contracted web programming services through our > >>> > company if anyone is looking for a developer. > > >>> > We specialize in Social Networking scripting but practically > >>> > everything else. > > >>> > We like cutting edge projects, so if you have one let us know ;) > > >>> > Feel free to visit our site. > > >>> >http://www.mediacreations.co.nz > > >>> > Cheers! > > >>> > Vince > > >> -- > >> NZ PHP Users Group:http://groups.google.com/group/nzphpug > >> To post, send email to [email protected] > >> To unsubscribe, send email to > >> [email protected] > > > -- > > Bruce Clement > > > Home: http://www.clement.co.nz/ > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Bruce_Clement > > Google Buzz:http://www.google.com/profiles/aotearoanz > > > "Before attempting to create something new, it is vital to have a good > > appreciation of everything that already exists in this field." 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