"Ahhh... so tired, I need to take a bath rite now.. will continue later ..sorry.. no peeking or I will cut your testicles.. [evil laugh]" hahahaha....sebelum dipotonh kan harus dipegang-in... apakah berani megangnya...?hhahahhaa.... canda...Elaine......wkwkwkwk...
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui <elainesu...@...> wrote: > > *I dunno how to say, it's complicated, but it works ^_^ If you buy IDR > bonds, you really don't want the currency to decline. > > China has the most US treasury bonds, so USD won't fall as it will hurt > their export. But the Fed keeps printing money to bail out their banks, so > China got to buy more US debts. China wants to diversify their reserve to > gold, but US has the most gold in the world, any attempt to buy large sum of > gold will drive the price higher. It's really a war.. > > To make it simple, you should think that currency (and gold) reserve as > EQUITY, and total debt as DEBT, so you will know which country has the best > DEBT to EQUITY ratio (DER) > > High DER means the country is aggresive with its monetary policy but the > risk of bankruptcy (either default or devaluation) is also high. (but please > take careful proportion such as trade deficit/surplus, the nature of GDP - > service/manufacture/natural resources oriented, etc). So it depends. > > Fed money printing is like to RIGHT ISSUE, more paper, less value. Diluted. > > Ahhh... so tired, I need to take a bath rite now.. will continue later > ..sorry.. no peeking or I will cut your testicles.. [evil laugh][?] > > Elaine* > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Bambang Irwanto <bemben...@...>wrote: > > > * > > **right now, Indonesia Govt. Bond Outstanding is RP > > 974,297,524,463,886.00,* > > *I guest we'll stay at free float for some time with **$0.1 trillions outs > > bond and $0.05 trillions reserve.* > > * > > * > > *How could $0.1 trillions 'protect' the IDR from falling? > > * > > --- On *Mon, 9/21/09, Pak AA <pakaa2...@...>* wrote: > > > > > > From: Pak AA <pakaa2...@...> > > Subject: Re: [ob] Kang Bagus - Apakah Indonesia meminta Inflow Hot Money > > untuk masuk Kontrak Berjangka Currency? > > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 6:58 PM > > > > > > > > > > As always you look smart lol ... you must be smart for real > > BTW, which vice president do you mean, the current VP or the next one > > who'll be in power in this October? Isn't it the finance minister's idea to > > sell treasury bond... > > > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Elaine Sui <elainesui83@ > > gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=elainesu...@...> > > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> *China doesn't use free float for the renminbi yet their stock markets > >> are among the best. Note that pegged currency only works if you have huge > >> reserve, so It really depends. > >> > >> China has $2 trillions of fgn (USD) reserve, Japan has $1 trillions. > >> Indonesia has $0.05 trillions (lol), so Renminbi and Yen are fixed, IDR is > >> free float. In 1997 IDR was pegged to the USD (at IDR 2000 something) but > >> then when something bad come up, and if ppl sees that you don't have > >> enough reserve, they may SHORT your currency. > >> > >> Same thing happened to poundsterling in 1992 (Soros made fortune on this > >> one by shorting $10 billions worth of poundsterling, hell that's 1/5 of > >> your > >> total fgn reserve, so 5 ppl like soros technically can bring Indonesia > >> down..sorry) > >> > >> That's why your govt is selling treasury bonds so much, so everyone will > >> 'protect' the IDR from falling. ehhh, those ppl at the govt are smart, so > >> does your vice prosident, you have to trust them and let them work. > >> > >> Elaine** > >> * > >> 2009/9/18 <mr_...@yahoo. com <http://mc/compose?to=mr_...@...>> > >> > >> > >>> > >>> Devisa bebas bagus untuk stock market, > >>> > >>> Sejak thailand kontrol devisa stock market nya ngga menarik lagi. > >>> > >>> Karena risk premium susah keluar mesti di kalkulasi dalam harga ... > >>> > >>> Bursa kite kan paling wussss ... Kalo dikontrol menurut hitungan kasar ya > >>> jebol 1000 lah bej > >>> > >>> Sent from my AXIS Worry Free BlackBerry® smartphone > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> *From: * "Matt Nowo" <inf...@gmail. com<http://mc/compose?to=inf...@...>> > >>> > >>> *Date: *Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:34:25 +0000 > >>> *To: *<obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. > >>> com<http://mc/compose?to=obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com> > >>> > > >>> *Subject: *Re: [ob] Kang Bagus - Apakah Indonesia meminta Inflow Hot > >>> Money untuk masuk Kontrak Berjangka Currency? > >>> > >>> Setauk saya yang telah menerapkan semacam "Chilian tax" di asean adalah > >>> malay n thailand. FDI/portfolio investment harus stay beberapa waktu. > >>> > >>> Indonesia, dalam UU no 24 thn 1999 menyatakan kita (memilih) menganut > >>> regime devisa bebas. Dalam kondisi aparatur negara yang belum tertib, maka > >>> agak riskan apabila menggunakan regime control devisa. > >>> > >>> Sent from my BearBerry® > >>> powered by ISAT & TLKM > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> *From: * Wong Cilik <gajahpelanduk@ > >>> gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=gajahpelan...@...>> > >>> > >>> *Date: *Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:41:54 +1000 > >>> *To: *<obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. > >>> com<http://mc/compose?to=obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com> > >>> > > >>> *Subject: *[ob] Kang Bagus - Apakah Indonesia meminta Inflow Hot Money > >>> untuk masuk Kontrak Berjangka Currency? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Den Bagus... Tulung tanya, > >>> > >>> Saya dengar Negara-negara Asean laen menerapkan pembatasan fluktuasi mata > >>> uang. Cara mereka, dengan meminta dana Hot Money yang tidak melakukan FDI > >>> untuk masuk kontrak berjangka currency (jadi kurs masuk keluarnya sudah > >>> tidak terlalu besar lagi). > >>> > >>> Apakah Indonesia ada rencana untuk menerapkan sistem ini? Maksudnya untuk > >>> mengurangi spekulasi mata uang yang merusak sendi-sendi ekonomi. > >>> > >>> > >>> > > >
