I have frequently received an sms from ADT regarding closing all windows when the wind is strong.
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Michael Kempen <[email protected]>wrote: > As did I, and it's not the first time that I've received a warning SMS from > them in connection with expected strong winds. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Price" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 8:09 AM > Subject: [obsnw] RE: SMS from ADT > > > > Yes, I did receive the SMS from ADT. > > Regards > > D > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: 16 December 2009 09:19 PM > To: The Observatory Neighbourhood watch > Subject: [obsnw] Re: Attempted Housebreaking Lytton Street and Lessons > Learned > > Hmm in Garith's posting: "...we did send an SMS to all residential > clients > requesting them to close windows and doors..." - I didn't get that! > > When I was mugged about 6 months back it took the ADT car over 10 min > to get to me when I pushed the panic button. The only use I got out of > that was being able to use the ADT car's radio to speak to the > neighbourhood watch patrollers who were there in minutes! > > On Dec 15, 4:49 pm, Jonathan Endersby <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi All > > > > Earlier I suggested that this was a perfect platform to discuss ADT's > > appalling response to David's panic signal and their inability to > > commit to a full time vehicle in Observatory. > > > > Garith then emailed me personally suggesting that the reason he > > couldn't continue the discussion was because "everyone has their own > > opinion as to what constitutes effective and value for money security > > services." and that a "shotgun approach" would not work. > > > > I replied suggesting that he respond to the group rather than to me > > directly... I told him that his statements about "effective and value > > for money" were just attempts at sidelining the real issue. He never > > replied to the group. > > > > Garith then called me and said that he could not give me the numbers > > because they are confidential, but that somehow (and I realised he was > > lying instantly), Justin Ashley had the numbers and could publish > > them. I asked him to confirm that the "numbers" he was referring to > > were subscriber numbers and the number of additional members required > > by ADT to justify a full time vehicle in Obs. He said "Yes". > > > > I've chatted with Justin via email and Justin confirmed my suspicion. > > ADT has never given them any form of subscriber numbers for the area > > and have only indicated how many additional customers would be > > required in order to justify a full time vehicle. > > > > Simply put, Garith lied to me, probably hoping that I would go away. > > I'm not going to. > > > > So once again Mr Dell. How many subscribers (even roughly, to the > > closest 100) does ADT have in Observatory? If you fail to answer this > > question or commit to a permenant vehicle being placed in Observatory > > I fear you will be dealing with a shitstorm when the community finds > > out how much ADT is ripping them off. > > > > Nothing chases customers away faster than the feeling of being cheated. > > > > J. > > > > 2009/12/15 Jonathan Endersby <[email protected]>: > > > > > Hi Garith > > > > > Actually I think this is the perfect platform to discuss this issue... > > > Stop trying to take these conversations out of the public eye. You > > > will only end up embarrassing yourself. > > > > > ADT is offering a service to the community. The community pays a lot > > > of money and gets 24 minute response times. In 24 minutes I could be > > > murdered and had my house emptied with time to spare. The community is > > > simply asking ADT to take the initiative and get a permanent vehicle > > > placed in Obs. > > > > > Kris' 5% estimate works out to be 100 people. I'm sure I can find 50 > > > ADT subscribers in Arnold street alone. My guess is that the number is > > > probably closer to 30%. That's R240 000 per month... and for that ADT > > > is giving us one third of an armed response vehicle. With those sums > > > and BASED ON YOUR OWN R58 000 24/7 armed response cost, we should have > > > over 4 vehicles permanently based in observatory. > > > > > I'm not sure what your obsession with committees is... I am a member > > > of the public asking ADT a question on a public forum... So once > > > again: > > > > > 1. How many subscribers does ADT have in Observatory? > > > 2. How many subscribers does ADT want to have in Observatory before > > > they can justify a permanent vehicle? > > > > > Regards > > > J. > > > > > 2009/12/15 Garith Dell <[email protected]>: > > >> Hi Jonathan > > > > >> I refer to your mail below. > > > > >> As stated before we have sent a detail proposal to the committee. > > > > >> With regards to client numbers etc.. I am sure you will agree that a > > >> Google group is not the platform to discuss these confidential > numbers. > > > > >> We are more than willing to meet with the committee and yourself to > > >> discuss the number of participants and costs involved in deploying a > > >> full time, dedicated armed response vehicle for the greater > Observatory > > >> area. > > > > >> Regards. > > > > >> Garith Dell > > > > >> Community Safety & Liaison > > > > >> Cell Number : 083 678 3807 > > > > >> Email Adress: [email protected] > > > > >> ADT Security (Pty) Ltd > > >> 5 Louwtjie Rothman Avenue > > >> N1 City > > >> Private Bag X104, N1 City, 7463 > > > > >> Telephone 086 12 12 303 > > >> Facsimile 086 12 12 305 > > > > >> Registered as a security service provider by the Private Security > > >> Industry Regulatory Authority Registration number 765528 > > > > >> Managing Director Cape Town : AR Good > > > > >> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > > >> intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > > >> are addressed.If you have received this email in error please notify > > >> the system manager. Please note that any views or opinions presented > in > > >> this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > > >> represent those of the company. Finally, the recipient should check > > >> this email and any attachments the presence of viruses. The company > > >> accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by > > >> this email. > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf > > >> Of Jonathan Endersby > > >> Sent: 15 December 2009 10:01 > > >> To: [email protected] > > >> Subject: Re: [obsnw] RE: Attempted Housebreaking Lytton Street and > > >> Lessons Learned > > > > >> Hi Garith > > > > >> Since you seem to have missed them I'll number my questions carefully. > > >> (A hint, questions are the sentences that end with question marks.) > > > > >> 1. Why is ADT so secretive about the number of subscribers in the > area? > > > > >> 2. Do you really want us to survey the entire neighbourhood to prove > to > > >> you that are ripping us all off by not having a vehicle stationed > > >> here? > > > > >> 3. How many subscribers would ADT need in Observatory before you could > > >> justify a permanent vehicle? > > > > >> Regards, > > >> J. > > > > >> 2009/12/15 Garith Dell <[email protected]>: > > >>> Hi Jonathan > > > > >>> As per my previous mail to Kris, a proposal was sent to Justin Ashley > > >>> which highlighted various options available including the costs. > > >>> Should you require any further information regarding this proposal > > >>> please contact Justin directly. I am confident that he will be able > to > > >>> assist you where possible. > > > > >>> Regards. > > > > >>> Garith Dell > > > > >>> Community Safety & Liaison > > > > >>> Cell Number : 083 678 3807 > > > > >>> Email Adress: [email protected] > > > > >>> ADT Security (Pty) Ltd > > >>> 5 Louwtjie Rothman Avenue > > >>> N1 City > > >>> Private Bag X104, N1 City, 7463 > > > > >>> Telephone 086 12 12 303 > > >>> Facsimile 086 12 12 305 > > > > >>> Registered as a security service provider by the Private Security > > >>> Industry Regulatory Authority Registration number 765528 > > > > >>> Managing Director Cape Town : AR Good > > > > >>> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > > >>> intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > > >>> are addressed.If you have received this email in error please notify > > >>> the system manager. Please note that any views or opinions presented > > >>> in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > > >>> represent those of the company. Finally, the recipient should check > > >>> this email and any attachments the presence of viruses. The company > > >>> accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted > by > > >>> this email. > > > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf > > >>> Of Jonathan Endersby > > >>> Sent: 15 December 2009 09:33 > > >>> To: [email protected] > > >>> Subject: Re: [obsnw] RE: Attempted Housebreaking Lytton Street and > > >>> Lessons Learned > > > > >>> Hi Garith > > > > >>> Your proposal was most likely laughed off as it sounds preposterous. > > >>> You're suggesting that IN ADDITION to the revenue ADT is receiving > > >>> from Observatory residents, that you want to charge us R58 0000 a > > >>> month to have a vehicle stationed here. Kris' 5% guesstimate seems > > >>> VERY conservative. > > > > >>> Why is ADT so secretive about the number of subscribers in the area? > > >>> Do you really want us to survey the entire neighbourhood to prove to > > >>> you that are ripping us all off by not having a vehicle stationed > > >>> here? > > > > >>> How many subscribers would ADT need in Observatory before you could > > >>> justify a permanent vehicle? > > > > >>> Regards > > >>> Jonathan. > > > > >>> 2009/12/15 Garith Dell <[email protected]>: > > >>>> Hi Kris > > > > >>>> We have put forward proposals to Justin for a dedicated vehicle for > > >>>> OBSNW.In the proposal it clearly details the costs to deploy such a > > >>>> vehicle. > > > > >>>> To date we have not had a response to our proposal. The response > > >>>> vehicle > > >>>> that covers Observatory also responds to Woodstock, a portion of > > >>>> Mowbray > > >>>> but definitely not Maitland. > > > > >>>> The cost of a dedicated vehicle is approximately R 58, 000.00 per > > >>>> month > > >>>> which will need to be funded by residents. > > > > >>>> Please feel free to contact Justin regarding the proposal. > > > > >>>> Regards. > > > > >>>> Garith Dell > > > > >>>> Community Safety & Liaison > > > > >>>> Cell Number : 083 678 3807 > > > > >>>> Email Adress: [email protected] > > > > >>>> ADT Security (Pty) Ltd > > >>>> 5 Louwtjie Rothman Avenue > > >>>> N1 City > > >>>> Private Bag X104, N1 City, 7463 > > > > >>>> Telephone 086 12 12 303 > > >>>> Facsimile 086 12 12 305 > > > > >>>> Registered as a security service provider by the Private Security > > >>>> Industry Regulatory Authority Registration number 765528 > > > > >>>> Managing Director Cape Town : AR Good > > > > >>>> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > > >>>> intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > > >>>> are > > >>>> addressed.If you have received this email in error please notify the > > >>>> system manager. 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