Hey all can we set up a meeting? Do we want to do it after Xmas and before new year or in new year - i am back on deck on 10th Jan
On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 6:42 PM Andrew Jeffrey <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi John, > > Thanks for the comments. > > I see what you mean about appearing to be the "go-to" group without > engagement from the whole community. > > The SIG does not necessarily have to be the QGIS user group for the whole > Oceania region, it is expressed that way in the charter but if it doesn't > work then it doesn't need to stay that way. The QGIS user groups have a > model where the user group can be regional or national - > https://www.qgis.org/en/site/forusers/usergroups.html - The UK, for > example, has three representing different parts of the UK. There is no > reason why Oceania couldn't have multiple independent QGIS user groups like > Oceania (Australia), Oceania (Aotearoa), Oceania (Fiji) etc. I do, however, > see all of these user groups within Oceania having the same problem that > the Australian QGIS group experienced regarding the running of our own > events, as described before the OO org and SIG concept provide a framework > to address that. > > So, I don't see the SIG standing in the way of local initiatives, but we > do have responsibility to engage with the Oceania community and let them > know that this SIG and its resources are not exclusive to the Australian > QGIS users. > > Also, I was going to message you this and ask for advice but it's probably > best out in the open for other people to throw around suggestions. I have > struggled with how to best interact with parts/regions of the OO community. > I've included the Australian QGIS list along the way because it is the only > user group in Oceania registered on the QGIS site and the OO mailing list > because we want to form a SIG within that community. However, if there are > other user groups out there and people know of them i'd appreciate it if > you could put me in touch. > > My preference at the moment with the engagement we have is to push on as > defined in the charter. The charter is able to be altered in the future, so > if something just doesn't work or turns out to inadvertently be prohibitive > then we have the opportunity to correct it. I know the people involved at > the moment have the communities best interest in mind (and I understand no > one is suggesting otherwise), and I am confident that the OO board will > hold us to account. I think if we can address these engagement issues as we > go, this could be a good example for other SIGs starting out. > > Thanks > Andrew > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 1:35 PM John Bryant <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks Andrew, I'm definitely on board with being inclusive and I think >> Oceania-wide is great. My concern is about the SIG being seen as the >> "go-to" representative of the whole region's QGIS community, before this >> reach is genuinely established, and inadvertently standing in the way of >> local leadership & initiatives. This is why I wonder whether we see this as >> an expansion of the QGIS Australia User Group, or if they're kept as >> distinct groups. I'd personally lean toward making the geographic scope >> large, and the operational scope small (to begin with). >> >> Related, the OSMF made OSGeo Oceania's OpenStreetMap local chapter status >> conditional on making it clear that country-based groups were entitled to >> form their own local chapters (see wiki entry >> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Oceania#OpenStreetMap_Oceania>). >> >> Anyway, I don't think this concern is a blocker, more a note of caution. >> Hopefully Pacific and NZ people are interested and will join in, the SIG >> could encourage this by being proactive about supporting users there. >> Looking forward to helping! >> >> On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 at 14:12, Andrew Jeffrey <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi John, >>> >>> Thanks for the comments, I'll check them out. As for the questions you >>> raise, they haven't been discussed yet and happy to discuss them here. >>> >>> *Geographic Scope of the Special Interest Group (SIG) - * As per the OSGeo >>> Oceania SIG guidelines >>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1U3R3wSHR9jo9VgywmAQqKswrylwjxw9-/edit>, >>> it would be available to all OSGeo Oceania org (OO org) members so that >>> would be the geographic area that OO org represents. Emma was also very >>> passionate from the start that this is available to all Oceania and not >>> just Australia. However, I do take on board your observation about the >>> comments / feedback / input being very much Australian focused, in fact, I >>> would go one step further and say that it has primarily been from the >>> regular posters of the OO mailing list >>> <https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/oceania/>. Would yourself or Emma >>> have suggestions on how we could broaden the reach and improve the >>> community input? Are there other channels that this should be made >>> available on? >>> >>> *Which List - *My intention was that "the open mailing list" will be >>> the OO mailing list <https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/oceania/>, so I >>> do apologise for the ambiguity here and I can clear that up in the charter. >>> As this is a Special Interest Group within the OO org, I believe that would >>> be the best place for it. But that is only my opinion, happy for others to >>> share their point of view and reach an outcome that we are all happy with. >>> >>> I have been cross-posting the charter and progress on the QGIS >>> Australia User Group mailing list >>> <https://groups.google.com/g/australian-qgis-user-group> for those who >>> may be interested (I now recognise that this may have caused more confusion >>> than necessary). A number of members in the QGIS Australia User group >>> (myself included) wanted to form something like this SIG after the >>> successful 2017 user meetup in Sydney, it ultimately failed because we >>> didn't have the capacity to handle funds, and something much better came >>> along in the local FOSS4G conference and the OO org because it addresses >>> this challenge for all FOSS4G projects in the region. The development of >>> this SIG will build on the QGIS community interest that we demonstrated >>> exists in 2017, this time around we have the structure of the OO org to >>> help us progress funding initiatives to drive investment in the community. >>> >>> Hope that helps, >>> Thanks >>> >>> Andrew >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 2:54 PM John Bryant <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Andrew, awesome work! I've added a few small comments in the doc and >>>> want to bring up a couple of thoughts. Apologies if I'm raising questions >>>> that have already been answered. >>>> >>>> *Geographic scope of the SIG*. In the doc it's called the Oceania QGIS >>>> SIG. I know we've talked about inclusivity, and welcoming participation >>>> from the whole region, in keeping with the ethos of FOSS4G SotM Oceania and >>>> OSGeo Oceania. But I'm noticing that so far, (I think) the discussion has >>>> only drawn comments and contributions from people in Australia. I guess >>>> this is partly because the QGIS Australia community is pretty well >>>> established, with a recognised QGIS user group and a mailing list dating >>>> back nearly 10 years. But I'm wondering if we need to do more work to make >>>> sure people in other countries welcome this representation. Does the lack >>>> of participation to date reflect that the message isn't getting through, or >>>> that only Australians are interested in this SIG? Or is it just that the >>>> Australia QGIS community is leading the conversation because it's more >>>> established, and maybe the rest of the region is watching & listening with >>>> interest, and will join in later? >>>> >>>> *Which list?* There are a couple of references to "the open mailing >>>> list", it might be good for us to clarify which list. The existing QGIS >>>> Australia User Group mailing list >>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/australian-qgis-user-group>, or the >>>> Oceania list, or another? I think it could be helpful to make this >>>> unambiguous so that people know where to post, and which list to follow to >>>> stay up to date. This might be part of a larger question of whether this >>>> SIG is distinct from the QGIS Australia User Group, or is the same group in >>>> a new form. >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> John >>>> >>>> On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 at 13:42, Andrew Jeffrey <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the discussion on the QGIS SIG proposed charter so far. >>>>> >>>>> I have worked in the comments on dealing with a conflict of interest, >>>>> voting (minimum number of voters), and membership tiers. Also a few >>>>> formatting changes e.g. I moved the membership section higher up in the >>>>> document. >>>>> >>>>> I suspect the membership tiers may need some further discussion, these >>>>> were the tiers loosely discussed by our SIG proposers very early on (not >>>>> the price but the distinction - prices are placeholders at the moment), we >>>>> could also look at the pricing of the Swiss User group for guidance >>>>> <https://www.qgis.ch/en/association/membership-application>. However, >>>>> again this is all open for your input and feedback. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lrewntrC0N1r6mfZdo1AdPhe2qTEaN5hDA2pcL0mrvI/edit?usp=sharing >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Andrew >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 8:20 AM Andrew Jeffrey <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for the discussion and input so far. >>>>>> >>>>>> I see there are some comments on the charter itself as well which is >>>>>> great, we'll try and address each of those in the document and I believe >>>>>> you can see the history/resoltion of these in the "comment history" in >>>>>> the >>>>>> doc itself. What I can see from the initial feedback is that the >>>>>> "membership" or definition of needs more detail and we need to address >>>>>> the >>>>>> potential for "conflicts of interest" when raising and voting on motions. >>>>>> >>>>>> @adam - if you don't mind I will add your example text for dealing >>>>>> with conflicts of interest from the previous email verbatim as a starting >>>>>> point and evolve it from there. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, remember if you want to have some editing input on the charter >>>>>> reach out and I can add you as an editor to the document. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> Andrew >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 9:48 PM Emma Hain <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Emma Hain >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 30 Nov 2020, at 17:03, Phil Wyatt <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.qgis.ch/en/association/membership-application >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers - Phil, >>>>>>> On the road with his iPad >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 30 Nov 2020, at 5:30 pm, Emma Hain <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey All >>>>>>> I’m with the essence of what Martin put forward as well as Nathan. >>>>>>> If those that can do pool together funds under the SIG then we can get >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> tools that Oceania needs. >>>>>>> Is there a link to the Swiss Qgis funding model? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Emma Hain >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 30 Nov 2020, at 13:51, Martin Tomko <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just chip in, to elaborate on what I was thinking about when >>>>>>> drafting the SIG guidelines. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The overall model, for me, was that of the ACM SIGs, which work well >>>>>>> ( some), or less well ( others), but do not impact on each other. An OO >>>>>>> member can be member of multiple SIGs, or none. Some may organise >>>>>>> hackatons, mapping parties, microconferences, some may not. Some may >>>>>>> even >>>>>>> propose ( and successfully populate and run) a stream at a FOSS4G SOTM >>>>>>> conference (that would be awesome). They may help set the program for >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> conference, etc, etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The level of activity, and the financial resources they may have >>>>>>> available will differ, and it is not up to the OO (board) to dictate, as >>>>>>> long as they do not encroach on the freedom of others to have their own >>>>>>> activities, do not place undue burden on the OO itself (run by >>>>>>> volunteers, >>>>>>> you do not want to process hundreds of micro payments, etc, I would >>>>>>> say), >>>>>>> or have multiple SIGs overlapping in scope. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Re fees. I would have assumed that most will be free, BUT the >>>>>>> ability to levy a membership[ fee was left there exactly to satisfy the >>>>>>> need for supporting a more intensive activity that is not “event” based. >>>>>>> So, if the QGIS SIG decides to print a monthly SIG magazine and provide >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> as a membership service to the SIG, sure, why not, levy a membership >>>>>>> fee. >>>>>>> Or a website, online course, or similar. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Broader membership by organisations is starting to go borderline, to >>>>>>> what Adam noted. Is this something where the overall interests of the >>>>>>> organisation clash with the SIG? I would suggest let’s try this, and >>>>>>> decide, as we go. If the burden by SIGS or the internal competition is >>>>>>> too >>>>>>> much ( we lose FOS4G SOTM sponsors to the SIG), then this will need to >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> addressed. This is I believe the main concern, but we are not there. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Martin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From: *Oceania <[email protected]> >>>>>>> *Date: *Monday, 30 November 2020 at 1:51 pm >>>>>>> *To: *Cameron Shorter <[email protected]> >>>>>>> *Cc: *QGIS Australia User Group < >>>>>>> [email protected]>, OSgeo - Oceania < >>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [OSGeo Oceania] [Aus-NZ-QGIS-group] Community >>>>>>> consultation: OO Org QGIS Special Interest Group Charter >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey Cameron >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The issue of membership fees is only for the QGIS special interest >>>>>>> group. The OSGeo Oceania membership will always be zero, or near zero >>>>>>> cost. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'll let the QGIS folks speak for themselves, but they're talking >>>>>>> about being able to pool money to fund specific activities, and if >>>>>>> people >>>>>>> are willing to pay for a subscription to regularly contribute, and they >>>>>>> call it a membership of that QGIS SIG, that's all good, I say! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Alex >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 13:33, Cameron Shorter < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The question of membership fees pops up every few years with >>>>>>> arguments for and against. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I summarized a bunch of threads in the OSGeo community back when I >>>>>>> was on the OSGeo board in: >>>>>>> http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com/2013/03/osgeo-board-priorities.html >>>>>>> .There may be some points in there which you can reuse. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> OSGeo as a low capital, volunteer focused organisation >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Should OSGeo act as a high capital or low capital organisation? >>>>>>> I.e., should OSGeo dedicate energy to collecting sponsorship and then >>>>>>> passing out these funds to worthy OSGeo causes. >>>>>>> While initially it seems attractive to have OSGeo woo sponsors, >>>>>>> because we would all love to have more money to throw at worthy OSGeo >>>>>>> goals, the reality is that chasing money is hard work. And someone who >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> chase OSGeo sponsorship is likely conflicted with chasing sponsorship >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> their particular workplace. So in practice, to be effective in chasing >>>>>>> sponsorship, OSGeo will probably need to hire someone specifically for >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> role. OSGeo would then need to raise at least enough to cover wages, and >>>>>>> then quite a bit more if the sponsorship path is to create extra value. >>>>>>> This high capital path is how the Eclipse foundation is set up, and >>>>>>> how LocationTech propose to organise themselves. It is the path that >>>>>>> OSGeo >>>>>>> started following when founded under the umbrella of Autodesk. >>>>>>> However, over the last seven years, OSGeo has slowly evolved toward >>>>>>> a low capital volunteer focused organisation. Our overheads are very >>>>>>> low, >>>>>>> which means we waste very little of our volunteer labour and capital on >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> time consuming task of chasing and managing money. Consequently, any >>>>>>> money >>>>>>> we do receive (from conference windfalls or sponsorship) goes a long >>>>>>> way - >>>>>>> as it doesn't get eaten up by high overheads. As discussed and agreed by >>>>>>> the board, this low capital path is something that is working very well >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> us, and is the path we should continue to follow. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 05:21, Adam Steer <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks Andrew for addressing all the questions people have. >>>>>>> Responding >>>>>>> to your reply to my questions: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - OK about sponsorships and so on, I can see that the QGIS SIG could >>>>>>> choose to align events with FOSS4G SotM Oceania editions, thereby >>>>>>> really streamlining logistics and effort and working with the whole >>>>>>> community >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - conflict of interest: really hard in a community where everyone >>>>>>> knows each other - my science community is the same, anonymous >>>>>>> reviews >>>>>>> are almost impossible! I think yes, recusing people from decision >>>>>>> making is a great step. I also think it's unrealistic to make a >>>>>>> blanket statement that fits all cases. I think the best approach >>>>>>> might >>>>>>> be to handle each case as it comes, and do it transparently. To make >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> concrete suggestion - and feel free to disagree - the charter could >>>>>>> contain a statement like 'Conflicts of interest, real or perceived, >>>>>>> will be handled in accordance with our code of conduct. This means >>>>>>> recusing relevant parties from decision making as early as possible >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> the process, and discussing the matter openly with our community. In >>>>>>> some cases, we may have to proceed by funding people who make >>>>>>> decisions about where to apply funds. This is a function of a small >>>>>>> and close knit community, and will always be discussed openly with >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> community first.' >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There are probably heaps of loopholes in that, and impossible to >>>>>>> close >>>>>>> them all - so the short version is to write exactly what you wrote in >>>>>>> reply: 'we will be ethical, and will resist being a funding pipeline >>>>>>> to particular people or companies'. The community has to step up to >>>>>>> make that always true. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have no thoughts to add to John's about SIG membership, except I >>>>>>> really like that you're thinking about how to manage it in an >>>>>>> inclusive fashion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I do have an opinion about creating sub-SIGS though - in my science >>>>>>> career I've seen multiple disciplines discover the same tooling a few >>>>>>> times. So my hot take is 'avoid having discipline-specific >>>>>>> subgroups', >>>>>>> way better to let disciplinary cross-fertilisation happen ;) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Adam >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at 09:39, Andrew Jeffrey <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Hi, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > No problems, with everything going on post conference, elections, >>>>>>> and the upcoming holiday period we may need to leave this open for >>>>>>> comment >>>>>>> for a little longer than normal. Happy to go with what people feel is >>>>>>> needed here. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > John, regarding your thoughts on the membership I agree 100%, the >>>>>>> charter at the moment has a sentence stating the SIG should be >>>>>>> "providing >>>>>>> membership avenues for people that may not be in a financial position to >>>>>>> pay a fee" perhaps we need more clarity around membership and what it >>>>>>> involves in the charter? To be clear, my thoughts are that keeping in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> spirit of OO the SIG should be available to everyone and no one should >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> excluded from participating, on reflection the term "membership" might >>>>>>> come >>>>>>> across as prohibitive. I'm sure we'll come up with something acceptable >>>>>>> through conversation here. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > For context though it may be helpful to explain the intent behind >>>>>>> the idea of a "membership". The issues it aims to address are below: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > There is some difficulty associated with organisations giving a >>>>>>> "donation", but purchasing something like a "membership" to a >>>>>>> professional >>>>>>> user group seems to be acceptable and is easier justified in some >>>>>>> procurement processes. >>>>>>> > For individuals donating to QGIS helps the project but has little >>>>>>> influence on their QGIS experience, also individuals on the QGIS list >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> indicated trouble participating in crowdfunding campaigns due to high >>>>>>> minimum pledges. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > A QGIS SIG would allow us to receive money from interested parties >>>>>>> wanting to support QGIS in our region, pool the funds and then spend as >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> SIG sees fit. The best part is the money will be spent on the items >>>>>>> scoped >>>>>>> in our charter which is again relevant to users in our region. For lack >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> a better term think of it as a "co-op" for the donations alot of us >>>>>>> already >>>>>>> make on an ad-hoc basis. Ideally we would be looking to get a majority >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the membership from organisations that we know use QGIS to support a >>>>>>> bulk >>>>>>> of this activity, and then people willing to make a personal >>>>>>> contribution >>>>>>> would then add to that. Then if people can't make a personal >>>>>>> contribution >>>>>>> that is also fine because they can assist in other ways. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > That was the idea in justifying a membership fee. We will need to >>>>>>> offer something in return, for individuals that will be the professional >>>>>>> network and for organisations that will be recognition at this early >>>>>>> stage >>>>>>> but as we progress this may evolve. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Thanks >>>>>>> > Andrew >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 3:57 PM John Bryant <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Andrew, thanks a lot for continuing to push this forward. It has >>>>>>> been a couple of months since I last looked at this, and I haven't >>>>>>> really >>>>>>> had a detailed look at the SIG concept yet. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> I'm 'out of the office' for the next few days, but would be happy >>>>>>> to join in this discussion when I get back, and have a proper chance to >>>>>>> refresh my memory and get up to speed on SIGs. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> One brief thought, it feels like it would be good to consider a >>>>>>> free (or very inexpensive) tier of membership. I suspect many of us >>>>>>> can't >>>>>>> justify (or can't afford) to spend much, but could contribute in other >>>>>>> ways. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Cheers >>>>>>> >> John >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> On Fri, 27 Nov 2020, 9:46 am Andrew Jeffrey, < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> Hi Adam, >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> Thanks for the feedback. >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> I agree the SIG shouldn't bring about any duplication of the >>>>>>> processes that the OO currently does. A SIG as defined in the guidelines >>>>>>> should be "enabling OSGeo Oceania members to interact, share knowledge, >>>>>>> organise events, and collaborate on a selected, targeted topic within >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> scope of OSGeo Oceania". So a SIG should be complementary to the OO >>>>>>> function and allow the interested community members to drive engagement >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> that area without the OO board having to do it all. Like you say though, >>>>>>> open communication between the SIG and the OO board is key in making >>>>>>> sure >>>>>>> there is no overlap being introduced. Also to be clear the SIG isn’t >>>>>>> seeking “sponsorship” as such but we do want to be able to collect a >>>>>>> membership fee for people/orgs wanting to be involved, allowing them to >>>>>>> fund items that maybe other OO members don’t see as important. I don’t >>>>>>> see >>>>>>> this taking away from conference sponsorship and this idea will >>>>>>> ultimately >>>>>>> sink or swim depending on whether the SIG members have an appetite to >>>>>>> fund >>>>>>> the items in our scope. >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> As for the conflict of interest, to be honest I don't know the >>>>>>> answer in regards to how that should be dealt with. I think we need to >>>>>>> add >>>>>>> something in the charter, would removing those people from the proposal >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> voting process be enough? How does OO deal with this? I don’t want to >>>>>>> rule >>>>>>> local devs out of working on this because they belong to the group, but >>>>>>> we >>>>>>> also don’t want to become the entry point to company XYZ. >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> Thanks for the feedback. >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> Andrew >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 7:35 AM Adam Steer < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> Hey Andrew and all the QGIS SIG proposers >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> Thanks, I think this is a perfect use of OSGeo Oceania as a >>>>>>> backing >>>>>>> >>>> organisation :) >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> My only reservation with any SIG proposal is that effort isn't >>>>>>> >>>> duplicated about events and marketing, and also that a funding >>>>>>> from a >>>>>>> >>>> small pool of interested parties (relative to other parts of the >>>>>>> >>>> world) is able to be effectively spread among the whole >>>>>>> community. For >>>>>>> >>>> an example it would be a bit awry to see a SIG gather a heap of >>>>>>> >>>> funding at the expense of conference sponsorships. I guess in >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> >>>> case the SIG could also sponsor conferences? This goes the >>>>>>> other way >>>>>>> >>>> too - the existence of a well connected SIG makes it easier for >>>>>>> OO to >>>>>>> >>>> fund a QGIS feature (for example) if it decides to do so. >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> I think clear, constant and open communication between OO and >>>>>>> the SIG >>>>>>> >>>> will make those concerns go away. >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> In writing this I did work my thoughts through to a serious >>>>>>> question: >>>>>>> >>>> How will the SIG deal with conflicts of interest? A stated aim >>>>>>> of the >>>>>>> >>>> SIG is to fund development, what will the SIG do if all the key >>>>>>> QGIS >>>>>>> >>>> developers in the region are also in the group of people making >>>>>>> >>>> decisions about buying developer time? >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> My only comment on the charter itself is that if you want, you >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> >>>> link to the existing Berlin Code of Conduct: >>>>>>> >>>> https://berlincodeofconduct.org/ - with which the upcoming OO >>>>>>> CoC >>>>>>> >>>> should be 100% compatible. >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> Adam >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> On Thu, 26 Nov 2020 at 04:37, Andrew Jeffrey < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>> >>>> > Hi All, >>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>> >>>> > The OSGeo Oceania board has approved an initiative for >>>>>>> members to form Special Interest Groups (SIGs) within the OO community. >>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>> >>>> > A SIG is a way for community members to collaborate around >>>>>>> common interests which in this case is QGIS. >>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>> >>>> > In establishing a SIG, the OO board requires that the group >>>>>>> proposing the SIG put forward a charter which outlines the Aim and Scope >>>>>>> under which the SIG will operate. >>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>> >>>> > Myself, Emma Hain, John Bryant, Nathan Woodrow and Nyall >>>>>>> Dawson would like to start a QGIS SIG which can be used to benefit QGIS >>>>>>> users in our community. To get things started we have come up with a >>>>>>> charter that we would like to make available for community >>>>>>> consultation. As >>>>>>> this charter currently reflects our input we would like to put this out >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> discussion to see if what we are proposing is on the right path for the >>>>>>> community. At the moment everyone with the link below has "comment" >>>>>>> permissions, but "edit" permissions can be granted on request if you >>>>>>> would >>>>>>> like to get more involved and you're welcome to do so. >>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lrewntrC0N1r6mfZdo1AdPhe2qTEaN5hDA2pcL0mrvI/edit?usp=sharing >>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>> >>>> > I also just want to be upfront that this SIG is proposing >>>>>>> that there be a membership fee associated with the group. The funds >>>>>>> raised >>>>>>> by the membership will be stored with the OO org and then used by the >>>>>>> SIG >>>>>>> on items as scoped out in the charter. The idea with the membership is >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> to "make money" but to pool our small contributions to give us better >>>>>>> "buying power" for lack of a better term. As a SIG within the OO org we >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> participate in crowdfunding campaigns, engage a dev to develop a feature >>>>>>> important to us but might not be recognised as important to the larger >>>>>>> QGIS >>>>>>> project, or engage a trainer to provide professional development via >>>>>>> Zoom, >>>>>>> the types of things that are hard to do as individuals or as a user >>>>>>> group >>>>>>> with no funds etc. The membership arrangement also allows us to offer >>>>>>> membership to organisations which will become a way for them to support >>>>>>> QGIS and their local QGIS community. Ideally, this is where a majority >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the funds would come from as we don't want an individual to be excluded >>>>>>> due >>>>>>> to a "fee", which is also covered in the charter. I'm available as I'm >>>>>>> sure >>>>>>> the other proposers are to discuss the intention of this further and in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> open on this list. >>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>> >>>> > Any questions feel free to ask or if you prefer to comment on >>>>>>> the charter that is fine too. >>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>> >>>> > I look forward to discussing this with you. >>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>> >>>> > Thanks >>>>>>> >>>> > Andrew >>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>> >>>> > -- >>>>>>> >>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>> Google Groups "QGIS Australia User Group" group. >>>>>>> >>>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>> it, send an email to >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> >>>> > To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/australian-qgis-user-group/CADTxF6bV6OicKcLveZsexfQ_gLULoFTpATV3iyjxWBswRyM_iA%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> -- >>>>>>> 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