Hi All I have set up a Jitsi (link) <https://meet.jit.si/ArbitraryFamesSqueezeMiserably>meeting for 1100 on Monday 11th January.
It sits on the OSGeo Oceania Events Calendar (QGIS SIG Meetup <https://calendar.google.com/event?action=TEMPLATE&tmeid=NTBsMW9kYzM0NzhyaWd2NjczcTBiNWRqdXQgMmQyZnNpMTBwNWZzdGVkOHM2cHBwaTBlMXNAZw&tmsrc=2d2fsi10p5fsted8s6pppi0e1s%40group.calendar.google.com>) so head there to add whether you will be attending and to get all the links. We will be working on finalising the QGIS SIG document and I have yet to get into the agenda folder and will be offline for the next week (offfgrid beach camping enjoying the storms and rain.....). If I get on earlier, I will send one out. Thanks Em On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 9:16 AM Emma Hain <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi All > I have added the following to the QGIS SIG Charter. > <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lrewntrC0N1r6mfZdo1AdPhe2qTEaN5hDA2pcL0mrvI/edit#heading=h.f3owylft5r4z> > > > - Composition and Roles > - Secretary > - Role of OO Board Director > - Financial > - Reporting > - Referenced documents > > Can you please review and add comments on your return from holidays (or > before if you want to escape your relatives). > > Also for the Agenda, I think we should concentrate on finalising the QGIS > SIG Charter > <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lrewntrC0N1r6mfZdo1AdPhe2qTEaN5hDA2pcL0mrvI/edit#heading=h.f3owylft5r4z> > and go through that. So please review it (again) and put in notes etc. Once > that is complete, we can move to an agenda for normal business. > > Additionally, if you have any events, including live you tube > presentations or get-togethers that fit within OO, please place them on the > OO Calendar - you can find the links here > <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Oceania#Events>. Out meetings will be added > to the calendar. > > Merry Christmas! > Em > > > On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 8:55 PM Emma Hain <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi All >> For our first meeting, I propose the week starting 10th January. Can you >> please fill in your preference for meeting times in this doodle poll. >> https://doodle.com/poll/e4iv56ra4u657eug?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link >> >> Also, please send me any items for an agenda. >> Once I have a draft I will send through the link. >> >> Thanks >> Em >> >> On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 11:01 AM Emma Hain <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hey all can we set up a meeting? >>> Do we want to do it after Xmas and before new year or in new year - i am >>> back on deck on 10th Jan >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 6:42 PM Andrew Jeffrey <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi John, >>>> >>>> Thanks for the comments. >>>> >>>> I see what you mean about appearing to be the "go-to" group without >>>> engagement from the whole community. >>>> >>>> The SIG does not necessarily have to be the QGIS user group for the >>>> whole Oceania region, it is expressed that way in the charter but if it >>>> doesn't work then it doesn't need to stay that way. The QGIS user groups >>>> have a model where the user group can be regional or national - >>>> https://www.qgis.org/en/site/forusers/usergroups.html - The UK, for >>>> example, has three representing different parts of the UK. There is no >>>> reason why Oceania couldn't have multiple independent QGIS user groups like >>>> Oceania (Australia), Oceania (Aotearoa), Oceania (Fiji) etc. I do, however, >>>> see all of these user groups within Oceania having the same problem that >>>> the Australian QGIS group experienced regarding the running of our own >>>> events, as described before the OO org and SIG concept provide a framework >>>> to address that. >>>> >>>> So, I don't see the SIG standing in the way of local initiatives, but >>>> we do have responsibility to engage with the Oceania community and let them >>>> know that this SIG and its resources are not exclusive to the Australian >>>> QGIS users. >>>> >>>> Also, I was going to message you this and ask for advice but it's >>>> probably best out in the open for other people to throw around suggestions. >>>> I have struggled with how to best interact with parts/regions of the OO >>>> community. I've included the Australian QGIS list along the way because it >>>> is the only user group in Oceania registered on the QGIS site and the OO >>>> mailing list because we want to form a SIG within that community. However, >>>> if there are other user groups out there and people know of them i'd >>>> appreciate it if you could put me in touch. >>>> >>>> My preference at the moment with the engagement we have is to push on >>>> as defined in the charter. The charter is able to be altered in the future, >>>> so if something just doesn't work or turns out to inadvertently be >>>> prohibitive then we have the opportunity to correct it. I know the people >>>> involved at the moment have the communities best interest in mind (and I >>>> understand no one is suggesting otherwise), and I am confident that the OO >>>> board will hold us to account. I think if we can address these engagement >>>> issues as we go, this could be a good example for other SIGs starting out. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Andrew >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 1:35 PM John Bryant <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks Andrew, I'm definitely on board with being inclusive and I >>>>> think Oceania-wide is great. My concern is about the SIG being seen as the >>>>> "go-to" representative of the whole region's QGIS community, before this >>>>> reach is genuinely established, and inadvertently standing in the way of >>>>> local leadership & initiatives. This is why I wonder whether we see this >>>>> as >>>>> an expansion of the QGIS Australia User Group, or if they're kept as >>>>> distinct groups. I'd personally lean toward making the geographic scope >>>>> large, and the operational scope small (to begin with). >>>>> >>>>> Related, the OSMF made OSGeo Oceania's OpenStreetMap local chapter >>>>> status conditional on making it clear that country-based groups were >>>>> entitled to form their own local chapters (see wiki entry >>>>> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Oceania#OpenStreetMap_Oceania>). >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, I don't think this concern is a blocker, more a note of >>>>> caution. Hopefully Pacific and NZ people are interested and will join in, >>>>> the SIG could encourage this by being proactive about supporting users >>>>> there. Looking forward to helping! >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 at 14:12, Andrew Jeffrey <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi John, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for the comments, I'll check them out. As for the questions >>>>>> you raise, they haven't been discussed yet and happy to discuss them >>>>>> here. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Geographic Scope of the Special Interest Group (SIG) - * As per the >>>>>> OSGeo >>>>>> Oceania SIG guidelines >>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1U3R3wSHR9jo9VgywmAQqKswrylwjxw9-/edit>, >>>>>> it would be available to all OSGeo Oceania org (OO org) members so that >>>>>> would be the geographic area that OO org represents. Emma was also very >>>>>> passionate from the start that this is available to all Oceania and not >>>>>> just Australia. However, I do take on board your observation about the >>>>>> comments / feedback / input being very much Australian focused, in fact, >>>>>> I >>>>>> would go one step further and say that it has primarily been from the >>>>>> regular posters of the OO mailing list >>>>>> <https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/oceania/>. Would yourself or Emma >>>>>> have suggestions on how we could broaden the reach and improve the >>>>>> community input? Are there other channels that this should be made >>>>>> available on? >>>>>> >>>>>> *Which List - *My intention was that "the open mailing list" will be >>>>>> the OO mailing list <https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/oceania/>, so >>>>>> I do apologise for the ambiguity here and I can clear that up in the >>>>>> charter. As this is a Special Interest Group within the OO org, I believe >>>>>> that would be the best place for it. But that is only my opinion, happy >>>>>> for >>>>>> others to share their point of view and reach an outcome that we are all >>>>>> happy with. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have been cross-posting the charter and progress on the QGIS >>>>>> Australia User Group mailing list >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/australian-qgis-user-group> for those >>>>>> who may be interested (I now recognise that this may have caused more >>>>>> confusion than necessary). A number of members in the QGIS Australia User >>>>>> group (myself included) wanted to form something like this SIG after the >>>>>> successful 2017 user meetup in Sydney, it ultimately failed because we >>>>>> didn't have the capacity to handle funds, and something much better came >>>>>> along in the local FOSS4G conference and the OO org because it addresses >>>>>> this challenge for all FOSS4G projects in the region. The development of >>>>>> this SIG will build on the QGIS community interest that we demonstrated >>>>>> exists in 2017, this time around we have the structure of the OO org to >>>>>> help us progress funding initiatives to drive investment in the >>>>>> community. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hope that helps, >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> Andrew >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 2:54 PM John Bryant <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Andrew, awesome work! I've added a few small comments in the doc >>>>>>> and want to bring up a couple of thoughts. Apologies if I'm raising >>>>>>> questions that have already been answered. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Geographic scope of the SIG*. In the doc it's called the Oceania >>>>>>> QGIS SIG. I know we've talked about inclusivity, and welcoming >>>>>>> participation from the whole region, in keeping with the ethos of FOSS4G >>>>>>> SotM Oceania and OSGeo Oceania. But I'm noticing that so far, (I think) >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> discussion has only drawn comments and contributions from people in >>>>>>> Australia. I guess this is partly because the QGIS Australia community >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> pretty well established, with a recognised QGIS user group and a mailing >>>>>>> list dating back nearly 10 years. But I'm wondering if we need to do >>>>>>> more >>>>>>> work to make sure people in other countries welcome this representation. >>>>>>> Does the lack of participation to date reflect that the message isn't >>>>>>> getting through, or that only Australians are interested in this SIG? >>>>>>> Or is >>>>>>> it just that the Australia QGIS community is leading the conversation >>>>>>> because it's more established, and maybe the rest of the region is >>>>>>> watching >>>>>>> & listening with interest, and will join in later? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Which list?* There are a couple of references to "the open mailing >>>>>>> list", it might be good for us to clarify which list. The existing QGIS >>>>>>> Australia User Group mailing list >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/australian-qgis-user-group>, or the >>>>>>> Oceania list, or another? I think it could be helpful to make this >>>>>>> unambiguous so that people know where to post, and which list to follow >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> stay up to date. This might be part of a larger question of whether this >>>>>>> SIG is distinct from the QGIS Australia User Group, or is the same >>>>>>> group in >>>>>>> a new form. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>> John >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 at 13:42, Andrew Jeffrey <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks for the discussion on the QGIS SIG proposed charter so far. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have worked in the comments on dealing with a conflict of >>>>>>>> interest, voting (minimum number of voters), and membership tiers. >>>>>>>> Also a >>>>>>>> few formatting changes e.g. I moved the membership section higher up >>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>> document. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I suspect the membership tiers may need some further discussion, >>>>>>>> these were the tiers loosely discussed by our SIG proposers very early >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> (not the price but the distinction - prices are placeholders at the >>>>>>>> moment), we could also look at the pricing of the Swiss User group >>>>>>>> for guidance >>>>>>>> <https://www.qgis.ch/en/association/membership-application>. >>>>>>>> However, again this is all open for your input and feedback. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lrewntrC0N1r6mfZdo1AdPhe2qTEaN5hDA2pcL0mrvI/edit?usp=sharing >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> Andrew >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 8:20 AM Andrew Jeffrey < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for the discussion and input so far. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I see there are some comments on the charter itself as well which >>>>>>>>> is great, we'll try and address each of those in the document and I >>>>>>>>> believe >>>>>>>>> you can see the history/resoltion of these in the "comment history" >>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>> doc itself. What I can see from the initial feedback is that the >>>>>>>>> "membership" or definition of needs more detail and we need to >>>>>>>>> address the >>>>>>>>> potential for "conflicts of interest" when raising and voting on >>>>>>>>> motions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> @adam - if you don't mind I will add your example text for dealing >>>>>>>>> with conflicts of interest from the previous email verbatim as a >>>>>>>>> starting >>>>>>>>> point and evolve it from there. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also, remember if you want to have some editing input on the >>>>>>>>> charter reach out and I can add you as an editor to the document. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>> Andrew >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 9:48 PM Emma Hain <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Emma Hain >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 30 Nov 2020, at 17:03, Phil Wyatt <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.qgis.ch/en/association/membership-application >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers - Phil, >>>>>>>>>> On the road with his iPad >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 30 Nov 2020, at 5:30 pm, Emma Hain <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hey All >>>>>>>>>> I’m with the essence of what Martin put forward as well as >>>>>>>>>> Nathan. If those that can do pool together funds under the SIG then >>>>>>>>>> we can >>>>>>>>>> get the tools that Oceania needs. >>>>>>>>>> Is there a link to the Swiss Qgis funding model? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Emma Hain >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 30 Nov 2020, at 13:51, Martin Tomko <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I just chip in, to elaborate on what I was thinking about when >>>>>>>>>> drafting the SIG guidelines. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The overall model, for me, was that of the ACM SIGs, which work >>>>>>>>>> well ( some), or less well ( others), but do not impact on each >>>>>>>>>> other. An >>>>>>>>>> OO member can be member of multiple SIGs, or none. Some may organise >>>>>>>>>> hackatons, mapping parties, microconferences, some may not. Some may >>>>>>>>>> even >>>>>>>>>> propose ( and successfully populate and run) a stream at a FOSS4G >>>>>>>>>> SOTM >>>>>>>>>> conference (that would be awesome). They may help set the program >>>>>>>>>> for the >>>>>>>>>> conference, etc, etc. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The level of activity, and the financial resources they may have >>>>>>>>>> available will differ, and it is not up to the OO (board) to >>>>>>>>>> dictate, as >>>>>>>>>> long as they do not encroach on the freedom of others to have their >>>>>>>>>> own >>>>>>>>>> activities, do not place undue burden on the OO itself (run by >>>>>>>>>> volunteers, >>>>>>>>>> you do not want to process hundreds of micro payments, etc, I would >>>>>>>>>> say), >>>>>>>>>> or have multiple SIGs overlapping in scope. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Re fees. I would have assumed that most will be free, BUT the >>>>>>>>>> ability to levy a membership[ fee was left there exactly to satisfy >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> need for supporting a more intensive activity that is not “event” >>>>>>>>>> based. >>>>>>>>>> So, if the QGIS SIG decides to print a monthly SIG magazine and >>>>>>>>>> provide it >>>>>>>>>> as a membership service to the SIG, sure, why not, levy a membership >>>>>>>>>> fee. >>>>>>>>>> Or a website, online course, or similar. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Broader membership by organisations is starting to go borderline, >>>>>>>>>> to what Adam noted. Is this something where the overall interests of >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> organisation clash with the SIG? I would suggest let’s try this, and >>>>>>>>>> decide, as we go. If the burden by SIGS or the internal competition >>>>>>>>>> is too >>>>>>>>>> much ( we lose FOS4G SOTM sponsors to the SIG), then this will need >>>>>>>>>> to be >>>>>>>>>> addressed. This is I believe the main concern, but we are not there. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Martin >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *From: *Oceania <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> *Date: *Monday, 30 November 2020 at 1:51 pm >>>>>>>>>> *To: *Cameron Shorter <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> *Cc: *QGIS Australia User Group < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>, OSgeo - Oceania < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [OSGeo Oceania] [Aus-NZ-QGIS-group] Community >>>>>>>>>> consultation: OO Org QGIS Special Interest Group Charter >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hey Cameron >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The issue of membership fees is only for the QGIS special >>>>>>>>>> interest group. The OSGeo Oceania membership will always be zero, or >>>>>>>>>> near >>>>>>>>>> zero cost. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'll let the QGIS folks speak for themselves, but they're talking >>>>>>>>>> about being able to pool money to fund specific activities, and if >>>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>> are willing to pay for a subscription to regularly contribute, and >>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>> call it a membership of that QGIS SIG, that's all good, I say! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Alex >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 13:33, Cameron Shorter < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The question of membership fees pops up every few years with >>>>>>>>>> arguments for and against. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I summarized a bunch of threads in the OSGeo community back when >>>>>>>>>> I was on the OSGeo board in: >>>>>>>>>> http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com/2013/03/osgeo-board-priorities.html >>>>>>>>>> .There may be some points in there which you can reuse. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> OSGeo as a low capital, volunteer focused organisation >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Should OSGeo act as a high capital or low capital organisation? >>>>>>>>>> I.e., should OSGeo dedicate energy to collecting sponsorship and then >>>>>>>>>> passing out these funds to worthy OSGeo causes. >>>>>>>>>> While initially it seems attractive to have OSGeo woo sponsors, >>>>>>>>>> because we would all love to have more money to throw at worthy OSGeo >>>>>>>>>> goals, the reality is that chasing money is hard work. And someone >>>>>>>>>> who can >>>>>>>>>> chase OSGeo sponsorship is likely conflicted with chasing >>>>>>>>>> sponsorship for >>>>>>>>>> their particular workplace. So in practice, to be effective in >>>>>>>>>> chasing >>>>>>>>>> sponsorship, OSGeo will probably need to hire someone specifically >>>>>>>>>> for the >>>>>>>>>> role. OSGeo would then need to raise at least enough to cover wages, >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> then quite a bit more if the sponsorship path is to create extra >>>>>>>>>> value. >>>>>>>>>> This high capital path is how the Eclipse foundation is set up, >>>>>>>>>> and how LocationTech propose to organise themselves. It is the path >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> OSGeo started following when founded under the umbrella of Autodesk. >>>>>>>>>> However, over the last seven years, OSGeo has slowly evolved >>>>>>>>>> toward a low capital volunteer focused organisation. Our overheads >>>>>>>>>> are very >>>>>>>>>> low, which means we waste very little of our volunteer labour and >>>>>>>>>> capital >>>>>>>>>> on the time consuming task of chasing and managing money. >>>>>>>>>> Consequently, any >>>>>>>>>> money we do receive (from conference windfalls or sponsorship) goes >>>>>>>>>> a long >>>>>>>>>> way - as it doesn't get eaten up by high overheads. As discussed and >>>>>>>>>> agreed >>>>>>>>>> by the board, this low capital path is something that is working >>>>>>>>>> very well >>>>>>>>>> for us, and is the path we should continue to follow. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 05:21, Adam Steer <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi all >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks Andrew for addressing all the questions people have. >>>>>>>>>> Responding >>>>>>>>>> to your reply to my questions: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - OK about sponsorships and so on, I can see that the QGIS SIG >>>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>>> choose to align events with FOSS4G SotM Oceania editions, thereby >>>>>>>>>> really streamlining logistics and effort and working with the >>>>>>>>>> whole >>>>>>>>>> community >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - conflict of interest: really hard in a community where everyone >>>>>>>>>> knows each other - my science community is the same, anonymous >>>>>>>>>> reviews >>>>>>>>>> are almost impossible! I think yes, recusing people from decision >>>>>>>>>> making is a great step. I also think it's unrealistic to make a >>>>>>>>>> blanket statement that fits all cases. I think the best approach >>>>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>>>> be to handle each case as it comes, and do it transparently. To >>>>>>>>>> make a >>>>>>>>>> concrete suggestion - and feel free to disagree - the charter >>>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>>> contain a statement like 'Conflicts of interest, real or >>>>>>>>>> perceived, >>>>>>>>>> will be handled in accordance with our code of conduct. This means >>>>>>>>>> recusing relevant parties from decision making as early as >>>>>>>>>> possible in >>>>>>>>>> the process, and discussing the matter openly with our community. >>>>>>>>>> In >>>>>>>>>> some cases, we may have to proceed by funding people who make >>>>>>>>>> decisions about where to apply funds. This is a function of a >>>>>>>>>> small >>>>>>>>>> and close knit community, and will always be discussed openly >>>>>>>>>> with the >>>>>>>>>> community first.' >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There are probably heaps of loopholes in that, and impossible to >>>>>>>>>> close >>>>>>>>>> them all - so the short version is to write exactly what you >>>>>>>>>> wrote in >>>>>>>>>> reply: 'we will be ethical, and will resist being a funding >>>>>>>>>> pipeline >>>>>>>>>> to particular people or companies'. The community has to step up >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> make that always true. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have no thoughts to add to John's about SIG membership, except I >>>>>>>>>> really like that you're thinking about how to manage it in an >>>>>>>>>> inclusive fashion. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I do have an opinion about creating sub-SIGS though - in my >>>>>>>>>> science >>>>>>>>>> career I've seen multiple disciplines discover the same tooling a >>>>>>>>>> few >>>>>>>>>> times. So my hot take is 'avoid having discipline-specific >>>>>>>>>> subgroups', >>>>>>>>>> way better to let disciplinary cross-fertilisation happen ;) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Adam >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at 09:39, Andrew Jeffrey < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Hi, >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > No problems, with everything going on post conference, >>>>>>>>>> elections, and the upcoming holiday period we may need to leave this >>>>>>>>>> open >>>>>>>>>> for comment for a little longer than normal. Happy to go with what >>>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>> feel is needed here. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > John, regarding your thoughts on the membership I agree 100%, >>>>>>>>>> the charter at the moment has a sentence stating the SIG should be >>>>>>>>>> "providing membership avenues for people that may not be in a >>>>>>>>>> financial >>>>>>>>>> position to pay a fee" perhaps we need more clarity around >>>>>>>>>> membership and >>>>>>>>>> what it involves in the charter? To be clear, my thoughts are that >>>>>>>>>> keeping >>>>>>>>>> in the spirit of OO the SIG should be available to everyone and no >>>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>> should be excluded from participating, on reflection the term >>>>>>>>>> "membership" >>>>>>>>>> might come across as prohibitive. I'm sure we'll come up with >>>>>>>>>> something >>>>>>>>>> acceptable through conversation here. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > For context though it may be helpful to explain the intent >>>>>>>>>> behind the idea of a "membership". The issues it aims to address are >>>>>>>>>> below: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > There is some difficulty associated with organisations giving a >>>>>>>>>> "donation", but purchasing something like a "membership" to a >>>>>>>>>> professional >>>>>>>>>> user group seems to be acceptable and is easier justified in some >>>>>>>>>> procurement processes. >>>>>>>>>> > For individuals donating to QGIS helps the project but has >>>>>>>>>> little influence on their QGIS experience, also individuals on the >>>>>>>>>> QGIS >>>>>>>>>> list have indicated trouble participating in crowdfunding campaigns >>>>>>>>>> due to >>>>>>>>>> high minimum pledges. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > A QGIS SIG would allow us to receive money from interested >>>>>>>>>> parties wanting to support QGIS in our region, pool the funds and >>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>> spend as the SIG sees fit. The best part is the money will be spent >>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>> items scoped in our charter which is again relevant to users in our >>>>>>>>>> region. >>>>>>>>>> For lack of a better term think of it as a "co-op" for the donations >>>>>>>>>> alot >>>>>>>>>> of us already make on an ad-hoc basis. Ideally we would be looking >>>>>>>>>> to get a >>>>>>>>>> majority of the membership from organisations that we know use QGIS >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> support a bulk of this activity, and then people willing to make a >>>>>>>>>> personal >>>>>>>>>> contribution would then add to that. Then if people can't make a >>>>>>>>>> personal >>>>>>>>>> contribution that is also fine because they can assist in other ways. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > That was the idea in justifying a membership fee. We will need >>>>>>>>>> to offer something in return, for individuals that will be the >>>>>>>>>> professional >>>>>>>>>> network and for organisations that will be recognition at this early >>>>>>>>>> stage >>>>>>>>>> but as we progress this may evolve. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Thanks >>>>>>>>>> > Andrew >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 3:57 PM John Bryant < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> Andrew, thanks a lot for continuing to push this forward. It >>>>>>>>>> has been a couple of months since I last looked at this, and I >>>>>>>>>> haven't >>>>>>>>>> really had a detailed look at the SIG concept yet. >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> I'm 'out of the office' for the next few days, but would be >>>>>>>>>> happy to join in this discussion when I get back, and have a proper >>>>>>>>>> chance >>>>>>>>>> to refresh my memory and get up to speed on SIGs. >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> One brief thought, it feels like it would be good to consider >>>>>>>>>> a free (or very inexpensive) tier of membership. I suspect many of >>>>>>>>>> us can't >>>>>>>>>> justify (or can't afford) to spend much, but could contribute in >>>>>>>>>> other ways. >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> Cheers >>>>>>>>>> >> John >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> On Fri, 27 Nov 2020, 9:46 am Andrew Jeffrey, < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> Hi Adam, >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> Thanks for the feedback. >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> I agree the SIG shouldn't bring about any duplication of the >>>>>>>>>> processes that the OO currently does. A SIG as defined in the >>>>>>>>>> guidelines >>>>>>>>>> should be "enabling OSGeo Oceania members to interact, share >>>>>>>>>> knowledge, >>>>>>>>>> organise events, and collaborate on a selected, targeted topic >>>>>>>>>> within the >>>>>>>>>> scope of OSGeo Oceania". So a SIG should be complementary to the OO >>>>>>>>>> function and allow the interested community members to drive >>>>>>>>>> engagement in >>>>>>>>>> that area without the OO board having to do it all. Like you say >>>>>>>>>> though, >>>>>>>>>> open communication between the SIG and the OO board is key in making >>>>>>>>>> sure >>>>>>>>>> there is no overlap being introduced. Also to be clear the SIG isn’t >>>>>>>>>> seeking “sponsorship” as such but we do want to be able to collect a >>>>>>>>>> membership fee for people/orgs wanting to be involved, allowing them >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> fund items that maybe other OO members don’t see as important. I >>>>>>>>>> don’t see >>>>>>>>>> this taking away from conference sponsorship and this idea will >>>>>>>>>> ultimately >>>>>>>>>> sink or swim depending on whether the SIG members have an appetite >>>>>>>>>> to fund >>>>>>>>>> the items in our scope. >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> As for the conflict of interest, to be honest I don't know >>>>>>>>>> the answer in regards to how that should be dealt with. I think we >>>>>>>>>> need to >>>>>>>>>> add something in the charter, would removing those people from the >>>>>>>>>> proposal >>>>>>>>>> and voting process be enough? How does OO deal with this? I don’t >>>>>>>>>> want to >>>>>>>>>> rule local devs out of working on this because they belong to the >>>>>>>>>> group, >>>>>>>>>> but we also don’t want to become the entry point to company XYZ. >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> Thanks for the feedback. >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> Andrew >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 7:35 AM Adam Steer < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> Hey Andrew and all the QGIS SIG proposers >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> Thanks, I think this is a perfect use of OSGeo Oceania as a >>>>>>>>>> backing >>>>>>>>>> >>>> organisation :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> My only reservation with any SIG proposal is that effort >>>>>>>>>> isn't >>>>>>>>>> >>>> duplicated about events and marketing, and also that a >>>>>>>>>> funding from a >>>>>>>>>> >>>> small pool of interested parties (relative to other parts of >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> >>>> world) is able to be effectively spread among the whole >>>>>>>>>> community. For >>>>>>>>>> >>>> an example it would be a bit awry to see a SIG gather a heap >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> >>>> funding at the expense of conference sponsorships. I guess >>>>>>>>>> in that >>>>>>>>>> >>>> case the SIG could also sponsor conferences? This goes the >>>>>>>>>> other way >>>>>>>>>> >>>> too - the existence of a well connected SIG makes it easier >>>>>>>>>> for OO to >>>>>>>>>> >>>> fund a QGIS feature (for example) if it decides to do so. >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> I think clear, constant and open communication between OO >>>>>>>>>> and the SIG >>>>>>>>>> >>>> will make those concerns go away. >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> In writing this I did work my thoughts through to a serious >>>>>>>>>> question: >>>>>>>>>> >>>> How will the SIG deal with conflicts of interest? A stated >>>>>>>>>> aim of the >>>>>>>>>> >>>> SIG is to fund development, what will the SIG do if all the >>>>>>>>>> key QGIS >>>>>>>>>> >>>> developers in the region are also in the group of people >>>>>>>>>> making >>>>>>>>>> >>>> decisions about buying developer time? >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> My only comment on the charter itself is that if you want, >>>>>>>>>> you can >>>>>>>>>> >>>> link to the existing Berlin Code of Conduct: >>>>>>>>>> >>>> https://berlincodeofconduct.org/ - with which the upcoming >>>>>>>>>> OO CoC >>>>>>>>>> >>>> should be 100% compatible. >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> Adam >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> On Thu, 26 Nov 2020 at 04:37, Andrew Jeffrey < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>> > Hi All, >>>>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>> > The OSGeo Oceania board has approved an initiative for >>>>>>>>>> members to form Special Interest Groups (SIGs) within the OO >>>>>>>>>> community. >>>>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>> > A SIG is a way for community members to collaborate around >>>>>>>>>> common interests which in this case is QGIS. >>>>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>> > In establishing a SIG, the OO board requires that the >>>>>>>>>> group proposing the SIG put forward a charter which outlines the Aim >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> Scope under which the SIG will operate. >>>>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>> > Myself, Emma Hain, John Bryant, Nathan Woodrow and Nyall >>>>>>>>>> Dawson would like to start a QGIS SIG which can be used to benefit >>>>>>>>>> QGIS >>>>>>>>>> users in our community. To get things started we have come up with a >>>>>>>>>> charter that we would like to make available for community >>>>>>>>>> consultation. As >>>>>>>>>> this charter currently reflects our input we would like to put this >>>>>>>>>> out for >>>>>>>>>> discussion to see if what we are proposing is on the right path for >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> community. At the moment everyone with the link below has "comment" >>>>>>>>>> permissions, but "edit" permissions can be granted on request if you >>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>> like to get more involved and you're welcome to do so. >>>>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lrewntrC0N1r6mfZdo1AdPhe2qTEaN5hDA2pcL0mrvI/edit?usp=sharing >>>>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>> > I also just want to be upfront that this SIG is proposing >>>>>>>>>> that there be a membership fee associated with the group. The funds >>>>>>>>>> raised >>>>>>>>>> by the membership will be stored with the OO org and then used by >>>>>>>>>> the SIG >>>>>>>>>> on items as scoped out in the charter. The idea with the membership >>>>>>>>>> is not >>>>>>>>>> to "make money" but to pool our small contributions to give us better >>>>>>>>>> "buying power" for lack of a better term. As a SIG within the OO org >>>>>>>>>> we can >>>>>>>>>> participate in crowdfunding campaigns, engage a dev to develop a >>>>>>>>>> feature >>>>>>>>>> important to us but might not be recognised as important to the >>>>>>>>>> larger QGIS >>>>>>>>>> project, or engage a trainer to provide professional development via >>>>>>>>>> Zoom, >>>>>>>>>> the types of things that are hard to do as individuals or as a user >>>>>>>>>> group >>>>>>>>>> with no funds etc. The membership arrangement also allows us to offer >>>>>>>>>> membership to organisations which will become a way for them to >>>>>>>>>> support >>>>>>>>>> QGIS and their local QGIS community. Ideally, this is where a >>>>>>>>>> majority of >>>>>>>>>> the funds would come from as we don't want an individual to be >>>>>>>>>> excluded due >>>>>>>>>> to a "fee", which is also covered in the charter. I'm available as >>>>>>>>>> I'm sure >>>>>>>>>> the other proposers are to discuss the intention of this further and >>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>> open on this list. >>>>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>> > Any questions feel free to ask or if you prefer to comment >>>>>>>>>> on the charter that is fine too. >>>>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>> > I look forward to discussing this with you. >>>>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>> > Thanks >>>>>>>>>> >>>> > Andrew >>>>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>> > -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to >>>>>>>>>> the Google Groups "QGIS Australia User Group" group. >>>>>>>>>> >>>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> >>>> > To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>>> 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