Hi All For our first meeting, I propose the week starting 10th January. Can you please fill in your preference for meeting times in this doodle poll. https://doodle.com/poll/e4iv56ra4u657eug?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link
Also, please send me any items for an agenda. Once I have a draft I will send through the link. Thanks Em On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 11:01 AM Emma Hain <[email protected]> wrote: > Hey all can we set up a meeting? > Do we want to do it after Xmas and before new year or in new year - i am > back on deck on 10th Jan > > On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 6:42 PM Andrew Jeffrey <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi John, >> >> Thanks for the comments. >> >> I see what you mean about appearing to be the "go-to" group without >> engagement from the whole community. >> >> The SIG does not necessarily have to be the QGIS user group for the whole >> Oceania region, it is expressed that way in the charter but if it doesn't >> work then it doesn't need to stay that way. The QGIS user groups have a >> model where the user group can be regional or national - >> https://www.qgis.org/en/site/forusers/usergroups.html - The UK, for >> example, has three representing different parts of the UK. There is no >> reason why Oceania couldn't have multiple independent QGIS user groups like >> Oceania (Australia), Oceania (Aotearoa), Oceania (Fiji) etc. I do, however, >> see all of these user groups within Oceania having the same problem that >> the Australian QGIS group experienced regarding the running of our own >> events, as described before the OO org and SIG concept provide a framework >> to address that. >> >> So, I don't see the SIG standing in the way of local initiatives, but we >> do have responsibility to engage with the Oceania community and let them >> know that this SIG and its resources are not exclusive to the Australian >> QGIS users. >> >> Also, I was going to message you this and ask for advice but it's >> probably best out in the open for other people to throw around suggestions. >> I have struggled with how to best interact with parts/regions of the OO >> community. I've included the Australian QGIS list along the way because it >> is the only user group in Oceania registered on the QGIS site and the OO >> mailing list because we want to form a SIG within that community. However, >> if there are other user groups out there and people know of them i'd >> appreciate it if you could put me in touch. >> >> My preference at the moment with the engagement we have is to push on as >> defined in the charter. The charter is able to be altered in the future, so >> if something just doesn't work or turns out to inadvertently be prohibitive >> then we have the opportunity to correct it. I know the people involved at >> the moment have the communities best interest in mind (and I understand no >> one is suggesting otherwise), and I am confident that the OO board will >> hold us to account. I think if we can address these engagement issues as we >> go, this could be a good example for other SIGs starting out. >> >> Thanks >> Andrew >> >> On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 1:35 PM John Bryant <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks Andrew, I'm definitely on board with being inclusive and I think >>> Oceania-wide is great. My concern is about the SIG being seen as the >>> "go-to" representative of the whole region's QGIS community, before this >>> reach is genuinely established, and inadvertently standing in the way of >>> local leadership & initiatives. This is why I wonder whether we see this as >>> an expansion of the QGIS Australia User Group, or if they're kept as >>> distinct groups. I'd personally lean toward making the geographic scope >>> large, and the operational scope small (to begin with). >>> >>> Related, the OSMF made OSGeo Oceania's OpenStreetMap local chapter >>> status conditional on making it clear that country-based groups were >>> entitled to form their own local chapters (see wiki entry >>> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Oceania#OpenStreetMap_Oceania>). >>> >>> Anyway, I don't think this concern is a blocker, more a note of caution. >>> Hopefully Pacific and NZ people are interested and will join in, the SIG >>> could encourage this by being proactive about supporting users there. >>> Looking forward to helping! >>> >>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 at 14:12, Andrew Jeffrey <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi John, >>>> >>>> Thanks for the comments, I'll check them out. As for the questions you >>>> raise, they haven't been discussed yet and happy to discuss them here. >>>> >>>> *Geographic Scope of the Special Interest Group (SIG) - * As per the OSGeo >>>> Oceania SIG guidelines >>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1U3R3wSHR9jo9VgywmAQqKswrylwjxw9-/edit>, >>>> it would be available to all OSGeo Oceania org (OO org) members so that >>>> would be the geographic area that OO org represents. Emma was also very >>>> passionate from the start that this is available to all Oceania and not >>>> just Australia. However, I do take on board your observation about the >>>> comments / feedback / input being very much Australian focused, in fact, I >>>> would go one step further and say that it has primarily been from the >>>> regular posters of the OO mailing list >>>> <https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/oceania/>. Would yourself or Emma >>>> have suggestions on how we could broaden the reach and improve the >>>> community input? Are there other channels that this should be made >>>> available on? >>>> >>>> *Which List - *My intention was that "the open mailing list" will be >>>> the OO mailing list <https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/oceania/>, so I >>>> do apologise for the ambiguity here and I can clear that up in the charter. >>>> As this is a Special Interest Group within the OO org, I believe that would >>>> be the best place for it. But that is only my opinion, happy for others to >>>> share their point of view and reach an outcome that we are all happy with. >>>> >>>> I have been cross-posting the charter and progress on the QGIS >>>> Australia User Group mailing list >>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/australian-qgis-user-group> for those who >>>> may be interested (I now recognise that this may have caused more confusion >>>> than necessary). A number of members in the QGIS Australia User group >>>> (myself included) wanted to form something like this SIG after the >>>> successful 2017 user meetup in Sydney, it ultimately failed because we >>>> didn't have the capacity to handle funds, and something much better came >>>> along in the local FOSS4G conference and the OO org because it addresses >>>> this challenge for all FOSS4G projects in the region. The development of >>>> this SIG will build on the QGIS community interest that we demonstrated >>>> exists in 2017, this time around we have the structure of the OO org to >>>> help us progress funding initiatives to drive investment in the community. >>>> >>>> Hope that helps, >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Andrew >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 2:54 PM John Bryant <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Andrew, awesome work! I've added a few small comments in the doc >>>>> and want to bring up a couple of thoughts. Apologies if I'm raising >>>>> questions that have already been answered. >>>>> >>>>> *Geographic scope of the SIG*. In the doc it's called the Oceania >>>>> QGIS SIG. I know we've talked about inclusivity, and welcoming >>>>> participation from the whole region, in keeping with the ethos of FOSS4G >>>>> SotM Oceania and OSGeo Oceania. But I'm noticing that so far, (I think) >>>>> the >>>>> discussion has only drawn comments and contributions from people in >>>>> Australia. I guess this is partly because the QGIS Australia community is >>>>> pretty well established, with a recognised QGIS user group and a mailing >>>>> list dating back nearly 10 years. But I'm wondering if we need to do more >>>>> work to make sure people in other countries welcome this representation. >>>>> Does the lack of participation to date reflect that the message isn't >>>>> getting through, or that only Australians are interested in this SIG? Or >>>>> is >>>>> it just that the Australia QGIS community is leading the conversation >>>>> because it's more established, and maybe the rest of the region is >>>>> watching >>>>> & listening with interest, and will join in later? >>>>> >>>>> *Which list?* There are a couple of references to "the open mailing >>>>> list", it might be good for us to clarify which list. The existing QGIS >>>>> Australia User Group mailing list >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/australian-qgis-user-group>, or the >>>>> Oceania list, or another? I think it could be helpful to make this >>>>> unambiguous so that people know where to post, and which list to follow to >>>>> stay up to date. This might be part of a larger question of whether this >>>>> SIG is distinct from the QGIS Australia User Group, or is the same group >>>>> in >>>>> a new form. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> John >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 at 13:42, Andrew Jeffrey <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for the discussion on the QGIS SIG proposed charter so far. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have worked in the comments on dealing with a conflict of interest, >>>>>> voting (minimum number of voters), and membership tiers. Also a few >>>>>> formatting changes e.g. I moved the membership section higher up in the >>>>>> document. >>>>>> >>>>>> I suspect the membership tiers may need some further discussion, >>>>>> these were the tiers loosely discussed by our SIG proposers very early on >>>>>> (not the price but the distinction - prices are placeholders at the >>>>>> moment), we could also look at the pricing of the Swiss User group >>>>>> for guidance >>>>>> <https://www.qgis.ch/en/association/membership-application>. >>>>>> However, again this is all open for your input and feedback. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lrewntrC0N1r6mfZdo1AdPhe2qTEaN5hDA2pcL0mrvI/edit?usp=sharing >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> Andrew >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 8:20 AM Andrew Jeffrey <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for the discussion and input so far. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I see there are some comments on the charter itself as well which is >>>>>>> great, we'll try and address each of those in the document and I believe >>>>>>> you can see the history/resoltion of these in the "comment history" in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> doc itself. What I can see from the initial feedback is that the >>>>>>> "membership" or definition of needs more detail and we need to address >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> potential for "conflicts of interest" when raising and voting on >>>>>>> motions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> @adam - if you don't mind I will add your example text for dealing >>>>>>> with conflicts of interest from the previous email verbatim as a >>>>>>> starting >>>>>>> point and evolve it from there. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, remember if you want to have some editing input on the charter >>>>>>> reach out and I can add you as an editor to the document. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> Andrew >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 9:48 PM Emma Hain <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Emma Hain >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 30 Nov 2020, at 17:03, Phil Wyatt <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.qgis.ch/en/association/membership-application >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers - Phil, >>>>>>>> On the road with his iPad >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 30 Nov 2020, at 5:30 pm, Emma Hain <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hey All >>>>>>>> I’m with the essence of what Martin put forward as well as Nathan. >>>>>>>> If those that can do pool together funds under the SIG then we can get >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> tools that Oceania needs. >>>>>>>> Is there a link to the Swiss Qgis funding model? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Emma Hain >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 30 Nov 2020, at 13:51, Martin Tomko <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I just chip in, to elaborate on what I was thinking about when >>>>>>>> drafting the SIG guidelines. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The overall model, for me, was that of the ACM SIGs, which work >>>>>>>> well ( some), or less well ( others), but do not impact on each other. >>>>>>>> An >>>>>>>> OO member can be member of multiple SIGs, or none. Some may organise >>>>>>>> hackatons, mapping parties, microconferences, some may not. Some may >>>>>>>> even >>>>>>>> propose ( and successfully populate and run) a stream at a FOSS4G SOTM >>>>>>>> conference (that would be awesome). They may help set the program for >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> conference, etc, etc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The level of activity, and the financial resources they may have >>>>>>>> available will differ, and it is not up to the OO (board) to dictate, >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> long as they do not encroach on the freedom of others to have their own >>>>>>>> activities, do not place undue burden on the OO itself (run by >>>>>>>> volunteers, >>>>>>>> you do not want to process hundreds of micro payments, etc, I would >>>>>>>> say), >>>>>>>> or have multiple SIGs overlapping in scope. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Re fees. I would have assumed that most will be free, BUT the >>>>>>>> ability to levy a membership[ fee was left there exactly to satisfy the >>>>>>>> need for supporting a more intensive activity that is not “event” >>>>>>>> based. >>>>>>>> So, if the QGIS SIG decides to print a monthly SIG magazine and >>>>>>>> provide it >>>>>>>> as a membership service to the SIG, sure, why not, levy a membership >>>>>>>> fee. >>>>>>>> Or a website, online course, or similar. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Broader membership by organisations is starting to go borderline, >>>>>>>> to what Adam noted. Is this something where the overall interests of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> organisation clash with the SIG? I would suggest let’s try this, and >>>>>>>> decide, as we go. If the burden by SIGS or the internal competition is >>>>>>>> too >>>>>>>> much ( we lose FOS4G SOTM sponsors to the SIG), then this will need to >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> addressed. This is I believe the main concern, but we are not there. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Martin >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From: *Oceania <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> *Date: *Monday, 30 November 2020 at 1:51 pm >>>>>>>> *To: *Cameron Shorter <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> *Cc: *QGIS Australia User Group < >>>>>>>> [email protected]>, OSgeo - Oceania < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [OSGeo Oceania] [Aus-NZ-QGIS-group] Community >>>>>>>> consultation: OO Org QGIS Special Interest Group Charter >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hey Cameron >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The issue of membership fees is only for the QGIS special interest >>>>>>>> group. The OSGeo Oceania membership will always be zero, or near zero >>>>>>>> cost. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'll let the QGIS folks speak for themselves, but they're talking >>>>>>>> about being able to pool money to fund specific activities, and if >>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>> are willing to pay for a subscription to regularly contribute, and they >>>>>>>> call it a membership of that QGIS SIG, that's all good, I say! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Alex >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 13:33, Cameron Shorter < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The question of membership fees pops up every few years with >>>>>>>> arguments for and against. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I summarized a bunch of threads in the OSGeo community back when I >>>>>>>> was on the OSGeo board in: >>>>>>>> http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com/2013/03/osgeo-board-priorities.html >>>>>>>> .There may be some points in there which you can reuse. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> OSGeo as a low capital, volunteer focused organisation >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Should OSGeo act as a high capital or low capital organisation? >>>>>>>> I.e., should OSGeo dedicate energy to collecting sponsorship and then >>>>>>>> passing out these funds to worthy OSGeo causes. >>>>>>>> While initially it seems attractive to have OSGeo woo sponsors, >>>>>>>> because we would all love to have more money to throw at worthy OSGeo >>>>>>>> goals, the reality is that chasing money is hard work. And someone who >>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>> chase OSGeo sponsorship is likely conflicted with chasing sponsorship >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> their particular workplace. So in practice, to be effective in chasing >>>>>>>> sponsorship, OSGeo will probably need to hire someone specifically for >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> role. OSGeo would then need to raise at least enough to cover wages, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> then quite a bit more if the sponsorship path is to create extra value. >>>>>>>> This high capital path is how the Eclipse foundation is set up, and >>>>>>>> how LocationTech propose to organise themselves. It is the path that >>>>>>>> OSGeo >>>>>>>> started following when founded under the umbrella of Autodesk. >>>>>>>> However, over the last seven years, OSGeo has slowly evolved toward >>>>>>>> a low capital volunteer focused organisation. Our overheads are very >>>>>>>> low, >>>>>>>> which means we waste very little of our volunteer labour and capital >>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>> time consuming task of chasing and managing money. Consequently, any >>>>>>>> money >>>>>>>> we do receive (from conference windfalls or sponsorship) goes a long >>>>>>>> way - >>>>>>>> as it doesn't get eaten up by high overheads. As discussed and agreed >>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>> the board, this low capital path is something that is working very >>>>>>>> well for >>>>>>>> us, and is the path we should continue to follow. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 05:21, Adam Steer <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi all >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks Andrew for addressing all the questions people have. >>>>>>>> Responding >>>>>>>> to your reply to my questions: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - OK about sponsorships and so on, I can see that the QGIS SIG could >>>>>>>> choose to align events with FOSS4G SotM Oceania editions, thereby >>>>>>>> really streamlining logistics and effort and working with the whole >>>>>>>> community >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - conflict of interest: really hard in a community where everyone >>>>>>>> knows each other - my science community is the same, anonymous >>>>>>>> reviews >>>>>>>> are almost impossible! I think yes, recusing people from decision >>>>>>>> making is a great step. I also think it's unrealistic to make a >>>>>>>> blanket statement that fits all cases. I think the best approach >>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>> be to handle each case as it comes, and do it transparently. To >>>>>>>> make a >>>>>>>> concrete suggestion - and feel free to disagree - the charter could >>>>>>>> contain a statement like 'Conflicts of interest, real or perceived, >>>>>>>> will be handled in accordance with our code of conduct. This means >>>>>>>> recusing relevant parties from decision making as early as possible >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> the process, and discussing the matter openly with our community. In >>>>>>>> some cases, we may have to proceed by funding people who make >>>>>>>> decisions about where to apply funds. This is a function of a small >>>>>>>> and close knit community, and will always be discussed openly with >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> community first.' >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are probably heaps of loopholes in that, and impossible to >>>>>>>> close >>>>>>>> them all - so the short version is to write exactly what you wrote >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> reply: 'we will be ethical, and will resist being a funding pipeline >>>>>>>> to particular people or companies'. The community has to step up to >>>>>>>> make that always true. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have no thoughts to add to John's about SIG membership, except I >>>>>>>> really like that you're thinking about how to manage it in an >>>>>>>> inclusive fashion. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I do have an opinion about creating sub-SIGS though - in my science >>>>>>>> career I've seen multiple disciplines discover the same tooling a >>>>>>>> few >>>>>>>> times. So my hot take is 'avoid having discipline-specific >>>>>>>> subgroups', >>>>>>>> way better to let disciplinary cross-fertilisation happen ;) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Adam >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at 09:39, Andrew Jeffrey <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Hi, >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > No problems, with everything going on post conference, elections, >>>>>>>> and the upcoming holiday period we may need to leave this open for >>>>>>>> comment >>>>>>>> for a little longer than normal. Happy to go with what people feel is >>>>>>>> needed here. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > John, regarding your thoughts on the membership I agree 100%, the >>>>>>>> charter at the moment has a sentence stating the SIG should be >>>>>>>> "providing >>>>>>>> membership avenues for people that may not be in a financial position >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> pay a fee" perhaps we need more clarity around membership and what it >>>>>>>> involves in the charter? To be clear, my thoughts are that keeping in >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> spirit of OO the SIG should be available to everyone and no one should >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> excluded from participating, on reflection the term "membership" might >>>>>>>> come >>>>>>>> across as prohibitive. I'm sure we'll come up with something acceptable >>>>>>>> through conversation here. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > For context though it may be helpful to explain the intent behind >>>>>>>> the idea of a "membership". The issues it aims to address are below: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > There is some difficulty associated with organisations giving a >>>>>>>> "donation", but purchasing something like a "membership" to a >>>>>>>> professional >>>>>>>> user group seems to be acceptable and is easier justified in some >>>>>>>> procurement processes. >>>>>>>> > For individuals donating to QGIS helps the project but has little >>>>>>>> influence on their QGIS experience, also individuals on the QGIS list >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> indicated trouble participating in crowdfunding campaigns due to high >>>>>>>> minimum pledges. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > A QGIS SIG would allow us to receive money from interested >>>>>>>> parties wanting to support QGIS in our region, pool the funds and then >>>>>>>> spend as the SIG sees fit. The best part is the money will be spent on >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> items scoped in our charter which is again relevant to users in our >>>>>>>> region. >>>>>>>> For lack of a better term think of it as a "co-op" for the donations >>>>>>>> alot >>>>>>>> of us already make on an ad-hoc basis. Ideally we would be looking to >>>>>>>> get a >>>>>>>> majority of the membership from organisations that we know use QGIS to >>>>>>>> support a bulk of this activity, and then people willing to make a >>>>>>>> personal >>>>>>>> contribution would then add to that. Then if people can't make a >>>>>>>> personal >>>>>>>> contribution that is also fine because they can assist in other ways. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > That was the idea in justifying a membership fee. We will need to >>>>>>>> offer something in return, for individuals that will be the >>>>>>>> professional >>>>>>>> network and for organisations that will be recognition at this early >>>>>>>> stage >>>>>>>> but as we progress this may evolve. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Thanks >>>>>>>> > Andrew >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 3:57 PM John Bryant < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> Andrew, thanks a lot for continuing to push this forward. It has >>>>>>>> been a couple of months since I last looked at this, and I haven't >>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>> had a detailed look at the SIG concept yet. >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> I'm 'out of the office' for the next few days, but would be >>>>>>>> happy to join in this discussion when I get back, and have a proper >>>>>>>> chance >>>>>>>> to refresh my memory and get up to speed on SIGs. >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> One brief thought, it feels like it would be good to consider a >>>>>>>> free (or very inexpensive) tier of membership. I suspect many of us >>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>> justify (or can't afford) to spend much, but could contribute in other >>>>>>>> ways. >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> Cheers >>>>>>>> >> John >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> On Fri, 27 Nov 2020, 9:46 am Andrew Jeffrey, < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Hi Adam, >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Thanks for the feedback. >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> I agree the SIG shouldn't bring about any duplication of the >>>>>>>> processes that the OO currently does. A SIG as defined in the >>>>>>>> guidelines >>>>>>>> should be "enabling OSGeo Oceania members to interact, share knowledge, >>>>>>>> organise events, and collaborate on a selected, targeted topic within >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> scope of OSGeo Oceania". So a SIG should be complementary to the OO >>>>>>>> function and allow the interested community members to drive >>>>>>>> engagement in >>>>>>>> that area without the OO board having to do it all. Like you say >>>>>>>> though, >>>>>>>> open communication between the SIG and the OO board is key in making >>>>>>>> sure >>>>>>>> there is no overlap being introduced. Also to be clear the SIG isn’t >>>>>>>> seeking “sponsorship” as such but we do want to be able to collect a >>>>>>>> membership fee for people/orgs wanting to be involved, allowing them to >>>>>>>> fund items that maybe other OO members don’t see as important. I don’t >>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>> this taking away from conference sponsorship and this idea will >>>>>>>> ultimately >>>>>>>> sink or swim depending on whether the SIG members have an appetite to >>>>>>>> fund >>>>>>>> the items in our scope. >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> As for the conflict of interest, to be honest I don't know the >>>>>>>> answer in regards to how that should be dealt with. I think we need to >>>>>>>> add >>>>>>>> something in the charter, would removing those people from the >>>>>>>> proposal and >>>>>>>> voting process be enough? How does OO deal with this? I don’t want to >>>>>>>> rule >>>>>>>> local devs out of working on this because they belong to the group, >>>>>>>> but we >>>>>>>> also don’t want to become the entry point to company XYZ. >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Thanks for the feedback. >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Andrew >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 7:35 AM Adam Steer < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> Hey Andrew and all the QGIS SIG proposers >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> Thanks, I think this is a perfect use of OSGeo Oceania as a >>>>>>>> backing >>>>>>>> >>>> organisation :) >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> My only reservation with any SIG proposal is that effort isn't >>>>>>>> >>>> duplicated about events and marketing, and also that a funding >>>>>>>> from a >>>>>>>> >>>> small pool of interested parties (relative to other parts of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> >>>> world) is able to be effectively spread among the whole >>>>>>>> community. For >>>>>>>> >>>> an example it would be a bit awry to see a SIG gather a heap of >>>>>>>> >>>> funding at the expense of conference sponsorships. I guess in >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> >>>> case the SIG could also sponsor conferences? This goes the >>>>>>>> other way >>>>>>>> >>>> too - the existence of a well connected SIG makes it easier >>>>>>>> for OO to >>>>>>>> >>>> fund a QGIS feature (for example) if it decides to do so. >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> I think clear, constant and open communication between OO and >>>>>>>> the SIG >>>>>>>> >>>> will make those concerns go away. >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> In writing this I did work my thoughts through to a serious >>>>>>>> question: >>>>>>>> >>>> How will the SIG deal with conflicts of interest? A stated aim >>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>> >>>> SIG is to fund development, what will the SIG do if all the >>>>>>>> key QGIS >>>>>>>> >>>> developers in the region are also in the group of people making >>>>>>>> >>>> decisions about buying developer time? >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> My only comment on the charter itself is that if you want, you >>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>> >>>> link to the existing Berlin Code of Conduct: >>>>>>>> >>>> https://berlincodeofconduct.org/ - with which the upcoming OO >>>>>>>> CoC >>>>>>>> >>>> should be 100% compatible. >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> Adam >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> On Thu, 26 Nov 2020 at 04:37, Andrew Jeffrey < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>> > Hi All, >>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>> > The OSGeo Oceania board has approved an initiative for >>>>>>>> members to form Special Interest Groups (SIGs) within the OO community. >>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>> > A SIG is a way for community members to collaborate around >>>>>>>> common interests which in this case is QGIS. >>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>> > In establishing a SIG, the OO board requires that the group >>>>>>>> proposing the SIG put forward a charter which outlines the Aim and >>>>>>>> Scope >>>>>>>> under which the SIG will operate. >>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>> > Myself, Emma Hain, John Bryant, Nathan Woodrow and Nyall >>>>>>>> Dawson would like to start a QGIS SIG which can be used to benefit QGIS >>>>>>>> users in our community. To get things started we have come up with a >>>>>>>> charter that we would like to make available for community >>>>>>>> consultation. As >>>>>>>> this charter currently reflects our input we would like to put this >>>>>>>> out for >>>>>>>> discussion to see if what we are proposing is on the right path for the >>>>>>>> community. At the moment everyone with the link below has "comment" >>>>>>>> permissions, but "edit" permissions can be granted on request if you >>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>> like to get more involved and you're welcome to do so. >>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lrewntrC0N1r6mfZdo1AdPhe2qTEaN5hDA2pcL0mrvI/edit?usp=sharing >>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>> > I also just want to be upfront that this SIG is proposing >>>>>>>> that there be a membership fee associated with the group. The funds >>>>>>>> raised >>>>>>>> by the membership will be stored with the OO org and then used by the >>>>>>>> SIG >>>>>>>> on items as scoped out in the charter. The idea with the membership is >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>> to "make money" but to pool our small contributions to give us better >>>>>>>> "buying power" for lack of a better term. As a SIG within the OO org >>>>>>>> we can >>>>>>>> participate in crowdfunding campaigns, engage a dev to develop a >>>>>>>> feature >>>>>>>> important to us but might not be recognised as important to the larger >>>>>>>> QGIS >>>>>>>> project, or engage a trainer to provide professional development via >>>>>>>> Zoom, >>>>>>>> the types of things that are hard to do as individuals or as a user >>>>>>>> group >>>>>>>> with no funds etc. The membership arrangement also allows us to offer >>>>>>>> membership to organisations which will become a way for them to support >>>>>>>> QGIS and their local QGIS community. Ideally, this is where a majority >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the funds would come from as we don't want an individual to be >>>>>>>> excluded due >>>>>>>> to a "fee", which is also covered in the charter. I'm available as I'm >>>>>>>> sure >>>>>>>> the other proposers are to discuss the intention of this further and >>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>> open on this list. >>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>> > Any questions feel free to ask or if you prefer to comment >>>>>>>> on the charter that is fine too. >>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>> > I look forward to discussing this with you. >>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>> > Thanks >>>>>>>> >>>> > Andrew >>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>> > -- >>>>>>>> >>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>> Google Groups "QGIS Australia User Group" group. >>>>>>>> >>>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>> from it, send an email to >>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>> >>>> > To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/australian-qgis-user-group/CADTxF6bV6OicKcLveZsexfQ_gLULoFTpATV3iyjxWBswRyM_iA%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> 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