On 31/03/2009, at 9:16 AM, Michelle Olson wrote:

> Simon Phipps wrote:
>>
>> On Mar 30, 2009, at 19:21, Michelle Olson wrote:
>>
>>> It is a long process to update the Constitution (or any document  
>>> for that matter), so May seems unreasonable.
>>
>> What further changes do you believe are needed for the  
>> Constitution? Until I hear a concrete answer to that question that  
>> implies extensive work, I think it's perfectly reasonable to  
>> imagine it's possible to set goals in the near-term.
>>
>> S.
>>
> --aside: It is generally not a good practice to snip the content of  
> a longer email and respond only to a singular phrase on a discussion  
> list.--
>
> The extensive work to be done isn't in the discrete changes to the  
> document, it is in driving agreement on the concepts and direction  
> and real-world use of the document going forward.

I'm not sure I agree. My interpretation was that while there was a  
small group who disagreed with the charter being out of whack with the  
proposed constitution (and I agree we should go to them and ask why  
and what we can do to help change their minds), the reason why it  
didn't pass is because we have a lazy electorate. Simple.

The fact that the new site infrastructure is going to use the concepts  
from the proposed constitution just makes us look funny again.

> Because the new site infrastructure has built-out those concepts Jim  
> drafted in the 2009 Constitution, we have an excellent way forward  
> to test the concepts in the document with the real software this  
> year. I suggest we map the sections of Jim's document to the actual  
> functionality and run extensive tests as a first step. We must give  
> everyone time to test and review and feedback and treat the feedback  
> with respect for the time that it requires.

That's all well and good assuming you get feedback. I think you can  
safely expect the list to go quiet again over the next couple of  
months. Quite frankly, governance isn't a very interesting topic -  
people generally prefer doing.


Glynn

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