On 31/03/2009, at 10:16 AM, Michelle Olson wrote:

> Glynn Foster wrote:
>>
>> On 31/03/2009, at 9:16 AM, Michelle Olson wrote:
>>
>>> Simon Phipps wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 30, 2009, at 19:21, Michelle Olson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It is a long process to update the Constitution (or any document  
>>>>> for that matter), so May seems unreasonable.
>>>>
>>>> What further changes do you believe are needed for the  
>>>> Constitution? Until I hear a concrete answer to that question  
>>>> that implies extensive work, I think it's perfectly reasonable to  
>>>> imagine it's possible to set goals in the near-term.
>>>>
>>>> S.
>>>>
>>> --aside: It is generally not a good practice to snip the content  
>>> of a longer email and respond only to a singular phrase on a  
>>> discussion list.--
>>>
>>> The extensive work to be done isn't in the discrete changes to the  
>>> document, it is in driving agreement on the concepts and direction  
>>> and real-world use of the document going forward.
>>
>> I'm not sure I agree. My interpretation was that while there was a  
>> small group who disagreed with the charter being out of whack with  
>> the proposed constitution (and I agree we should go to them and ask  
>> why and what we can do to help change their minds), the reason why  
>> it didn't pass is because we have a lazy electorate. Simple.
>>
>
> Wow, that is really washing your hands of responsibility, Glynn.

No, it's the reality of community governance. I'll happy point you to  
plenty of evidence from *8* years of elections in the GNOME community  
if you like where the voter turnout has shown similar results.

>> That's all well and good assuming you get feedback. I think you can  
>> safely expect the list to go quiet again over the next couple of  
>> months. Quite frankly, governance isn't a very interesting topic -  
>> people generally prefer doing.
>
> I generally create a lot of (hopefully useful) conversation wherever  
> I go on the opensolaris lists, so I do assume that I'll get  
> feedback. If I don't get feedback, I have failed and I won't blame  
> others for being lazy. Feeding back is doing and if you incorporate  
> feedback from others, it becomes very interesting.

The very best of luck with that.


Glynn

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